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That looks just like a South Florida jack!

Not only is it possible, it's been done, repeatedly. There's no betting involved here. Betting whether PFAL is God-breathed is like betting, today, whether the Yankees will win the 2005 World Series. If you want to stake your life on that, that's your privilege. Stupid, but your privilege. PFAL is not God-breathed, according to PFAL, your silly contrivances notwithstanding.

No, Mike. That is not what I said. Stop misrepresenting me. And while you're at it, stop misrepresenting God, stop misrepresenting Christ, and EVEN stop misrepresenting VPW! I said God will not do what He said He will not do, and your conscience is so seared you refuse to see it. Go back to the shadow.

That's a fairly safe bet, considering the evidence is right there for anyone whose conscience is not seared with a hot idol. Mike, I do not tell God what he can and can't do. I listen to him say what He will and won't do. When he said Thou Shalt Not Steal, I took Him at His Word. You didn't, and that's okay, because your faith is not in God, it's in a flawed man. Anyway, back to topic...

That's terrific.

It was a grand ceremony. There was a picture of VPW and the original BOD over the stage. LCM stood center stage in his robes. RFR knelt before him. LCM put his hands on the back of her head. RFR put her fist straight out. And LCM let out a soprano prophecy that was not to be believed.

Well, gee, yeah, after that second quote.

And if I get to "heaven" and "God" asks me one question about VPW, I will be sure I'm in the wrong place.

Anyone know or remember how to create a pdf file? I remember there was some free web site or program for it, but have no idea where to find it.

What you stated was not true. The plagiarism charges are valid.

I wouldn't dare. It's a little devious, but not that devious.

I think that's just dishonest. Isn't one of the chapters of OGOL called "The Man-Man's Redeemer"? You've SUNK when you're plagiarizing Wierwille. :) By the way, did anyone have trouble following JCOPS, with all those footnotes and references to other books, including the book by Ernest Martin that beat Wierwille to the punch on Sept. 11, 3 B.C.? I'm just curious, because I've been told footnotes are a distraction. Meanwhile, I've never heard anyone accuse VPW of plagiarizing Ernest Martin (because he didn't). :)

And Mussolini made the trains run on time, but as has already been established, Craig was already off his rocker by this point. The fact that he succeeded in keeping it from you was admirable on his part. But his descent had already begun. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't true. Lots of things you don't see are true. What Oldiesman is saying is tantamount to saying that after Titanic hit the iceberg, the smart thing to do was stay on board until things got REALLY bad. No. The smart thing to do would have been to get into a lifeboat forthwith. Unfortunately, many of us got into lifeboats that had leaks in them, while others just jumped into the water. But we survived, and we weren't on the Titanic as it sank. History proved us right.

I suspect this will get a Best Picture nomination. Won't win, and probably shouldn't. But I hope it gets nominated.

It's accurate to your perception, Oldies. Not to the reality of what was going on behind the scenes. (My impression was also inaccurate as to what was going on behind the scenes, as I did not know CG was what he apparently was. I always thought he was a good, if dull, teacher).

I started posting with my real, full name back on Waydale and on the CES board. I changed it to my first name and the year of my birth. Then, out of minor concern for identity theft and acceptance of what I was being called anyway, I shortened it to just plain Raf (harder to misspell, too). My avatar is me. It used to be Jon Lovitz in a tuxedo doing an impression of me at an NAHJ function.

Can I jump in? I did skip a turn, after all. :) This takes a teensy bit of thinking.

Oh DANG! I remember this one! grrrrrr...... Body Double ? Dang! Looked it up and I was wrong.

LAE, I say this unequivocally: Anyone who stayed after 1989 got fooled. I'm not rubbing it in their faces. (Perhaps you are not aware that Oldies and I have disagreed on this publicly for several years now. Nothing I say on the subject surprises him; nothing he says on the subject surprises me). There's nothing snide or arrogant in what I said. Sorry you took it that way. LCM cleverly masked an egotistical power grab as a reasonable request. Now, I do acknowledge that many who left got fooled, too. Not knowing Chris Geer, it took me longer to see what a doctrinal problem he was. And it wasn't until many years later that I knew his role in TWI pre-POP. Thing was, by that point my closest friends and I were so adamant about not following men that we didn't follow Chris Geer off the doctrinal deep end. That's a separate issue, one I'll be happy to address. But it doesn't change the fact that LCM snookered everyone, and Chris Geer snookered lots of people too. The difference is, many who left with CG were better off because we had a little practice at distancing ourselves from a would be MOG. When it came time to shake CG off our sandals, it was a piece of cake by then. What we all should have done was left any vestige of TWI and TWGB (Geer) in the rear view mirror.

The Prime Minister of Israel suffered a stroke today. This does not bode well. (I expect this thread to get moved to politics and tacks eventually, but mods, please wait a couple of days until we see how things turn out).

Excellent!

Speaking of which, enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=zLElfJ9YCh0

Ralph Bellamy Trading Places Denholm Elliott

Linda, Things went nicely for Oldies. Therefore, they went nicely for the ministry.

I don't agree with this. Astrology is the belief that the stars influence our lives. Nothing in those two books even remotely suggests such a thing. It only suggests that there are signs in the heavens, concludes that those signs include constellations, and proceeds to show how, in Wierwille and Ernest Martin's opinions, those signs corresponded to events we see in the Bible.