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I don't know how you guys pronounce things across the pond, but in the U.S., "missionary" is nine syllables. (Okay, four, but who's counting?)

Only because you're a critic of God's Word who can't see what's right in front of him, Mark. THERE ARE FOUR WHEELS ON MY CAR!

The civility of his tone? Every one of his posts contains insults directed at other people. What made this civil?

I'm stumped.

WTH, It's become abundantly clear after each of your posts, which are far more patronizing than those who disagree with you, that you are letting your conclusions color the evidence, and not letting the evidence shape your conclusion. A gospel writer uses heteros to distinguish people he mentions from people he doesn't mention? Not even worth rebuttal. Matthew mentions only two, Mark mentions only two, Luke mentions only two and John mentions only two, yet the REASON they each mentioned only two is that the others mentioned the other two? That's not a reason, that's a dodge. It fails to answer the question. If four people were crucified with Christ, why did NONE of the gospel writers just come out and say so?

I'll take that as a yes. :)

No need to apologize. You're up.

Bagpipes, Please, allow me.

I believe it was Cynic who posted those, but yes, they do bear examination. I do note that some of the lexicons that have been posted show heteros as "the other of two." My problem with that is, at times allos is "the other of two" as well (turn the other cheek), so what's the big distinction?

Oldies, We need the artist, too. Then you post some lyrics (and welcome to a thread where we can't disagree!)

Correct. Next...

Still haven't seen it. Some family trouble, worth praying for if you've got the time.

Happy Birthday, Goey!

Why do you weep? What are these tears upon your face? Soon you will see All of your fears will pass away Safe in my arms You're only sleeping What can you see On the horizon? Why do the white gulls call? Across the sea A pale moon rises The ships have come to carry you home

Nope.

This is a bit preliminary. It's why I raised the subject, but I was wrong to draw a conclusion without further research. EDIT: I haven't double checked these references. I'm checking one of those Bible web sites, and could be mistaken in how I'm interpreting what I'm finding. Matthew 13:5 Some (allos) fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: Luke 8:6 And some (heteros) fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. Matthew 13:7 And some (allos) fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: Luke 8:7 And some (heteros) fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. Matthew 13:8 But other (allos) fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Luke 8:8 And other (heteros) fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 19:9 "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another (allos), committeth adultery..." Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another (heteros) commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." Galatians 1:18, 19 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other (heteros) of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. Is Paul trying to imply here that Peter and James were a different kind of apostle from the others?

Let me retract and study that a bit more before continuing.

Lay down Your sweet and weary head Night is falling You have come to journey's end Sleep now And dream of the ones who came before They are calling From across a distant shore

Thanks DJS.

Actually, I think it's more accurate to say "heteros" means "other regardless of how many others are involved." It could be two. It could be more. The fact that it IS two sometimes bears no implication that in those instances it MUST be two involved, anymore than the fact that it's more than two sometimes means it MUST be more than two. The "same kind/different kind" distinction doesn't always work either, for in parallel scriptures (two scriptures handling identical events), the words are interchangeable (allos in one gospel, heteros in another).

Do you guys SEE this? That is just plain wrong. Why is Luke going to distinguish these two from two other people he does not mention?WTH, so determined are you to prove the thesis that "four crucified" is correct that you're twisting definitions and usages to suit that end. You are NOT letting the text speak for itself. Actually, that would be FIVE, if you're right. But then, after such a wonderful lesson, we also did forget about the cross in the middle, didn't we?

BAAAAAAhahahahahahahaha! Figured it out. EXCELLENT clues!

I only see one pic. :)

Comment withdrawn (unnecessary).

Of course it would. But is it right? (I think it should be, but then, I think Into the West fits the picture, too. :) ).