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Biblically, there is none. The remainder of your post is irrelevant to the discussion, but I'm glad you can retype what you read. Whether there's a difference between the church of the bride and the church of the body is arguable. I've seen good arguments on both sides. Whether there's a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven is not arguable. They are Biblically identical. Try reading this other book, called the Bible, to get that point.

Little did we know Chris Geer... ah well, live and learn. The great thing about ditching with Geer, for me (and I presume I can's speak for WordWolf on this) is that leaving when and how we did showed us how to not be a respector of titles and positions. Made it easier to disregard Geer when the time came.

This calls for coffee!

I'll put it this way: If Wierwille had not read Scofield's work, I'd be stunned beyond imagination. It would be like one of us never having read Wierwille.

That's what I thought it meant. A hearty welcome!

It's so easy to say "the negatives in his life." It's far more difficult to say "his lecherous abuse of those who trusted him, the way he twisted God's Word to serve his lusts, the dishonest way he handled God's Word from the beginning of his ministry until the end." Welcome to the Cafe. Does your handle mean what it sounds like it means?

Mike, because I haven't taken you off ignore, I missed this earlier statement. Good one. Of course, you'd know all about resorting to ad hominem attacks, having used them so ineffectually so often since you began posting here. By the way, at least I have the courage to SHOW my face around here. Nice touch, typing "god" with a lower case "g" to get my goat. Where did you get that stroke of brilliance from? Oh yeah, ME! Dude, at least get an original insult. It is good to see you finally acknowledge, however, that you and I worship different deities. I've never found you at anything other than your weak moments.

Fair enough. First things first, when people say there are errors in PFAL, they are not talking about typos or crooked type. This is a silly attempt at distraction from the real issue. Not one error pointed out by anyone has ever said "the type on p. 32 is a little off-kilter: aha! PFAL is not God-breathed." How far does one want to go in pointing out errors? Well, if you want to get utterly nitpicky, you could talk about crooked type and typos. But the only people who have mentioned such errors are you and Mike. Let's try a few things of a little more substance: The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are Biblically synonymous. Wierwille said they weren't. The Jews had a name for God that was both pronounceable and pronounced. Wierwille said God had no pronounceable name. How far do we go in discussing errors? Let me reverse it: how many errors (not typos, not page alignment issues) does it take for PFAL to still have the value you ascribe to it, yet not be what Mike claims it to be? According to the standard of PFAL, the answer is one. We've pointed out far more than that, just to confront the error of "PFAL is God-breathed." Do you disagree with every single item on the actual errors list? ALL of them? Or do you believe PFAL to be error-free (typos and page/text alignment notwithstanding)? By the way, I will concede that the existence of typos or misaligned text or anything else of that trivial miniscule irrelevant nature does not disprove Mike's thesis. Why, they make all the difference int he world between a perfect, inerrant word of God and a crumbled, jumbled piece of writing, or something like that. That's PFAL's standard.

Neither do I, and I demonstrate why, and whenever I do, I get nothing but grief from you. Why don't you agree with all of Mike's conclusions?

And there you go changing my words again. I did NOT say "PFAL Mastery=idolatrous pigswill." Can you even read? Tell you what, I'll give you a pass on that ignorant statement since you were probably writing it before I added an explanation in an edit. But Jeez, the way you guys twist words to mean something other than that which is plainly stated leads me to understand fully why you take the positions you take.

What the Hey, Do you think I should rename "10 Good Things About the Blue Book," and change it to "10 Good Things About Idolatrous Pigswill"? Why would I say something like that if I thought everything Wierwille wrote is idolatrous pigswill? Because, What the Hey, my statement has nothing to do with the content of PFAL. Neither do most of Mike's posts. The content of PFAL contradicts his message. The idea that someone must know PFAL inside and out to point out an actual error is ludicrous. I don't know the first thing about filmmaking, but I know that Ed Wood was lousy at it. I don't know everything about PFAL, but I know there are errors in it.

What the Hey, I see that reading comprehension is not your only problem, but basic mathematics and logic as well. Mike's posts=idolatrous pigswill. Mike's post=Master PFAL (I'd argue this point, but let's accept it for the purpose of your elementary school education). THEREFORE: "Master PFAL" = "idolatrous pigswill." Note: it does not say "the contents of PFAL=idolatrous pigswill." It says "the message propounded by Mike that PFAL is something that must be mastered because it is THE Word of God, without contradictions and without errors, and VPW taught things Jesus Christ had to learn, and the earth shook where VPW walked, and his victims are less innocent than he because they failed to follow his last/lust instructions=idolatrous pigswill." I have never called PFAL idolatrous pigswill. I can't help it if you can't understand that, but I can refer you to your nearest grammar school. I believe these topics are covered in grade four, grade five at the latest.

ROA 1989. Major turnoff: inaccurate teachings, condescension from all levels, and LCM as our "spiritual head." BARF.

My bet is on the Seahawks winning the Super Bowl this year. I'd say our chances are about equal.

The glorification of Christ is not on Mike's agenda. It's all about obeying Dr, being humble to Dr, being meek to Dr. Christ is an afterthought.

I just like you guys.

Indeed. You can't cry foul over a trademark you don't own, particularly when you can establish that you had it first. The other big bad rich guy could be forced to change HIS name, or pay you for the rights.

Those who understand English already know that I've never called PFAL "idolatrous pigswill." It's a phrase I reserve for Mike's posts.

What the Hey, I really don't have time to teach you basic reading comprehension today. I recommend you start with Hooked on Phonics and graduate to the I Can Read series of books. Let me know when you're on Dr. Seuss.

Is this going to be the thread where Mike answers all the actual (not apparent) errors in PFAL? No? Then it's just as worthless and just as much a waste of energy as every other Mike (who's a vicious, misogynistic idolater) thread that's been here since 2002. Or 2001. Or whenever he started posting his idolatrous pigswill.

Presented as "fact," even fewer people are buying it.

And there are many more who recognize that PFAL was a tool that brought them to the Bible, not a new replacement for it.

I have no problem with Wierwille's books. I think they're fine, and I appreciate a lot of what's in there. I just don't think they're perfect, and I acknowledge the existence of plagiarism in them.

[clicks on properties to check...] Rhino is correct.

The same way a nation can worship a bronze snake originally employed by their God to heal them, Oldies.