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I don't even know where to start. "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse." The Godfather "E.T. phone home." "Be good." "I'll be right here." E.T. "May the Force Be With You" "I have a bad feeling about this." "I find your lack of faith disturbing." Star Wars "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father." "He told me enough. He told me you killed him." "No. I am your father." The Empire Strikes Back "He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way. And that's how you'll get Capone." The Untouchables "A census taker tried to test me once. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti." Silence of the Lambs

Nope. Off track.

It is not Summer Rental. But you're on the right track.

You won't even admit an error is an error? You won't even address them?

Of course you don't see it as trying to lure me into your deception. You have deceived yourself so completely that you don't even KNOW you're lying anymore! Too true.

Why can't it be similarly? I telling you oftenly. You just be not listener. Ok, seriously: Mike, why are we even bothering? I mean really, why? You keep trying to lure me into your deception and I'm just not having it. By your fruits you are known, and what are your fruits? Arrogance, deception, delusion... come and get it? I think not. Deceive yourself all you want. You're only robbing yourself of the opportunity for real life.

Or, just maybe, it's because there is no law of believing, which allows you and VPW to be all over the map trying to define it, blissfully ignoring the contradictions inherent in the multiplicity of duplicities. You reject the simple truth in favor of your complicated table of elements.

Deception? Idolatry? A seared conscience?

It's the "law" of believing that's error. You have to become an outright contortionist to make it appear to work.

Error is complicated. VPW's law of believing is complicated. Things equal to the same thing are equal to each other...

Let the word twisting begin! How far we have moved from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Jappy Birthday Jardinero! You're one jeck of a gal!

Ok, I've been patient. The Whole Ten Yards

No one's disputing that it's an ekklesia. That's not an opinion. It's an objective fact. My movie mistakes buddies are an ekklesia too. It's just not a church. Ekklesia does not mean "church" the way we mean it in English.

Good one.

Templelady, What I've said does not fall into the same framework of your theology. Therefore, this thought of what happened when God's spirit left Christ's body is not a part of how I view this. It is not my position that Christ did not die. It is my position that the things you're bringing up are not relevant to the discussion of whether or not Christ died. I don't know what you're thinking when you say "that many posters here believe," but you sure as shootin have not expressed or summarized my beliefs on this.

Medusa and the Kraken were the titans who clashed in "Clash of the Titans." I don't believe either was a Titan in Greek mythology (Medusa was a Gorgon, the Kraken was a Scandinavian seamonster), but then, no one really cares all that much. :)

Just because ekklesia can be translated church doesn't mean that every ekklesia is what we think of in English when we use the word church. That's a corruption of the concept of translation. We are not a church here in Greasespot anymore than that mob was a church. The point of the teaching was that ekklesia does NOT mean "church" as we think of it, not that it DOES. Every group called out for a specific purpose is an ekklesia, but not every such group is a church. If you insist on addressing us in Greek, then please be consistent and use only Greek. If you're speaking to us in English, this ain't no church.

A-Yup.

Sorry for the delay...

Not everyone on GS is a Christian. We may be an ekklesia in Greek, but in English, we are not a church. Mob might be a better word. :)

What the Hey, I see your reading comprehension skills have not improved. Your statement that salvation is dependent on "confession of belief yields receipt of confession" doesn't validate or invalidate the law of believing. One has nothing to do with another. Furthermore, it is not entirely what Wierwille is talking about when he made the statement. Please let me know when you have become somewhat literate so we can continue this conversation. Your use of faulty, disjointed logic is no longer worth my efforts.

It's funny. The truth that he DID those things doesn't upset them. But let someone TALK about it, and

18 is not all that phenomenal. I find it about average. 20 is pretty dang good. 25 would surprise me. I can't imagine 2 minutes.