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I think it happens because sometimes a light goes off and people DO change their minds. Johniam is a good example. Didn't believe the adultery business for the longest, but ultimately nudged on that. I call it a mixture of optimism and insanity. :) Optimism, because we really do hope that logic will ultimately sink in. Insanity, because we're trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. There is one other element: it's fun. We didn't get to do this in TWI.

It is Hannibal.

and there's always my promotion, which i was certain would not happen, and which I confessed to many would not happen... but I got it anyway...

There's No Such Thing As Pineapple Pizza Oh, all right. Ewe Knighted ... Tea Tree. Which makes the third picture "Nine." Ewe Knighted Nine Tea Tree. United 93 Easy one.

Questioning the aspects of the Holocaust that Oldiesman is questioning is akin to questioning the release of Star Wars in 1977. Question it all you want. Debate it. Discuss it. Consider the evidence to the contrary. Bottom line is that Star Wars was released in 1977. You may argue it was released in 1980, 1983, 1999, 2002 and 2005. And you'd have evidence to back you up. But it's distorted evidence: Star Wars was released in 1977. And Hitler ordered the execution of Jews, killing about six million, many in gas chambers. Is there evidence to the contrary? Sure, as long as you're allowed to selectively choose your evidence and distort it so that it is saying something different. But there was still a Holocaust that specifically targeted Jews for execution, and succeeded at executing about six million, many in gas chambers, and that the mass execution was ordered by Hitler.

The Man Who Would Be Happy If He Just Looked Up

Thanks for clarifying that, and I apologize for my own baseless speculation.

Don't get me started, people. The Myth of the Pineapple Pizza

But the red drapes are critical to understanding what WIERWILLE meant by the law of the believing. You dismiss it because it's inconvenient and it was left out of the book. But it does help establish what Wierwille thought the law of believing included and did not include.

There is probably evidence that the moon is made of cheese, too. Keep an open mind! White cheese is white. The moon is white. Swiss cheese has holes. The moon has craters... The revisionists do not provide evidence: they distort it. If you call that "evidence," I submit you're wasting your time "considering" a position that has no basis in reality.

I say a piano has 88 keys - why you feel the need to play the same note all the time is sometimes baffling. It would be nice to hear a different note from you every once in a while. :)

Groucho, It is wrong of you to opine that Wierwille wore a swastika while committing his reprehensible actions. It's okay, however, to opine what he was thinking when he said we were on the wrong side of WWII.

You can "opine" that's what Wierwille meant, but that requires us to ignore his promotion of The Myth of the Six Million, which has nothing to do with whether we fought on the wrong side of the war because of communism. And another thing: There were only two sides to that war. To say we fought on the wrong side is to say we should have been fighting alongside Hitler instead of against him. We made a deal with the devil with regard to communism and WWII, no doubt. But we were on the right side of that war. For that matter, you could say we fought on the wrong side of WWII because the Italians were big on punctuality, so we were fighting punctuality.

Just because the communists fought on the right side in WWII doesn't mean we fought on the wrong side.

I thank God you have the freedom to waste your time with what these deniers of history (I do not include Browning on that list) have to say. Browning does not deny the Holocaust, does not deny the numbers, does not deny the gassing, and does not deny the Final Solution. He simply shows its evolution and how it came to be what it was. Clearly, the Final Solution had to have a beginning. He didn't take office and sit in front of a typewriter and say "To Whom It May Concern: I've got this idea." Call it "spin" if you want, but Hitler actually planned and began to implement the execution of Jews, and succeeded at killing about 6 million of them, many in gas chambers. If that's spin, then "George Washington was the first president of the United States" is also spin.

Hitler did not have a plan for emigration of Jews from Germany! He had a plan for eradication of Jews from this mortal coil! And I do not accept IHR's spin on their loss to Mermelstein. It's spin, just like everything else they write. Slapping the word "institute" on something does not make it a place of learning and research. This is disproven propaganda. Jews know it. Nazis knew it. Honest researchers know it. Dishonest pseudo-researchers can pretend all they'd like, and the gullible-beyond-measure can continue believing them, but it doesn't change the truth. Hitler planned and approved the execution of millions of Jews, and succeeded at killing somewhere around 6 million of them, many of them in gas chambers. This is not a theory. It's history. Never forget.

So did he just spend like 100 lines reviving this thread just to say he had nothing to say about the thread? Get back on topic.

Oh my God. It's a countdown! Checkmate! Checkmate! Independence Day Here's a tough one... "Women will sleep with you if you write a book?" "Women will sleep with you if you write a bad book."

I wanted to applaud, but was too drained to do it. No one in my audience applauded (at least not audibly: I applauded silently). There were many, many tears. I shed a few, but "sobbing" would not be an accurate description for me.

I don't think there's one word that can capture it. I don't want to say "Go see this movie," although on quality alone it deserves it. If I were a movie reviewer, I'd say "go see this movie," because their job is to recommend well-made, well-acted films. I don't know if it brings closure or healings. It does make you enormously proud of the passengers of flight 93. But at the same time, the unmitigated hatred it brings out for the hijackers easily spills over to a hatred of Islam (particularly in one scene: let me know if you spot it). The more I think of it... Bring tissues. Confront your discomfort. Go see this movie.

Well, I saw it tonight, and I'm glad I did. It's gut-wrenching, powerful... You really want things to end differently, but you know, of course, that they won't. Still, I have a renewed appreciation for the passengers who rebelled. Nice job on the part of the director, the actors, and the re-enactors (men and women who played themselves).

It's not off topic. Those two posters were mentioned in the opening post on this thread. I'd have to do more reading of all his posts to answer the "profession" issue. I was under the impression that it was more than a mere interest. And if the reaction he gets here stops him from posting, then I suggest "surprise" is an appropriate word. But if you can come up with a better word for it, I won't quibble.

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I wasn't complaining about the horse. I just didn't get it. Now I do. :)

Regarding the two posters who "know" LCM, one of them is some kind of cult researcher. I suggest that a cult researcher who is surprised at how former cult members might react to his words needs to reconsider his profession. Freud, if you're reading this, and if you're good at what you do, come back. Consider the audience and don't be surprised at the tone of some of the replies you get. It shouldn't surprise you. Don't let it turn you away.