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Bless you, my child. Feeling better already. Now 7-11 is selling pizza-sandwiches. Have you seen this? It's neither a pizza nor a sandwich. It's a mutant, and a threat to the American way of life. I say we deport all pizzandwiches! Send those things back where they came from. That's right, I'm talking about undocumented lunches. No amnesty! No amnesty! No amnesty!

DV: I don't believe I've said hello or welcome. Hello. Welcome. Coffee?

WTH: Just out of curiosity, when you gerbamble, does it hurt your kerfuffle? By that I mean, your method of polyoxinology seems inconsistent with the way you bedicterate your flobhoppleton. It's not always traphectorish to follow. It doesn't bother me, but I just wanted to make sure your nesdilitation doesn't need ponwafinating.

I appreciate that, Oaks. Yes, part of the equation is that I knew I was speaking to Oakspear, so I was confident that he would take the question as intended. I neglected the general audience and did not consider whether the question sounded snide in any way. I agree, we all have general questions: How could you leave before I left? How could you stay after I left? But most of all, how could you get in after I left? That's the one that hits the hardest. And it doesn't mean "I think you're an idiot for doing what you did." It means: what did you see that I didn't? What compelled you that could not compel me? What attracted you that did not attract me? What failed to repel you the way it did me? After I left TWI, I have to say that I was appalled at the little VPW idols they started selling. But those who stayed probably did not see it as an idol, and probably still don't. Me? I wouldn't even by those little ugly wallet photos they sold. Why would I? They were ugly men. If I'm carrying a photo in my wallet, it's going to be family or a good looking babe, not some ugly old man in a tux with a flower pinned to the lapel. Yuch. But a little statue? So much worse! (To me). So how could you not see things the way I saw them? It was an honest question, not intended to be snide at all. One could equally ask me: how could you see that as an idol? No one was being asked to worship it. What bug crawled up your butt that didn't crawl up mine? And you'd have a point. :)

OM The freedom to read and post whatever you want is also the freedom I have to call it the external manifestation in the senses realm of the internal stupidity of the notion that motivated the post.

Post away. Post some alchemy textbooks while you're at it.

You can also send them a freewill donation. I'm sure they'd accept it.

Let me guess: you're going to post some previously discredited nonsense and call it food for thought? Are you going to tell us that it's highlights of a book consisting of nothing but highlights?

It's not a matter of debate, Oldies. I was responding to a point you made BEFORE you suggested ceasing the discussion.

Denying the Holocaust, or questioning its central points (there was a final solution; Hitler ordered it; six million Jews died; many in gas chambers) does not require intellectual ability. It requires the suspension of it.

For the same reason we do not have alchemy textbooks in our schools: it's a waste of time. Why not welcome the revisionist information? Because it's not information! It's twisting of facts and denial of facts on matters already researched and concluded. Would you pay attention to a screed written by the Flat Earth Society that provides all sorts of evidence that Washington, D.C. is not really in North America? Of course not. Why? Because you KNOW that Washington, D.C. is in North America, just like anyone who's studied the subject honestly knows that about six million Jews were killed, many in gas chambers, as a result of Hitler's Final Solution, which was not a mass deportation order but a deliberate attempt to exterminate Jews. If you don't believe me, believe one of the authors you cited: Christopher Browning, who documents this quite clearly in his books (when they're not quoted out of context).

I can't believe you believe that people believe they can be slammed for their beliefs at a site of former "believers" in the law of believing.

It only took you six years to graduate? I'm jealous. It took me 7. :)

I totally understand. I can't take back my question, but I hope you look at it the same way I look at it whenever someone asks me "How could you get snookered by a cult?" I mean, I was snookered. I just can't imagine getting into TWI in the 1990s, so I wanted to ask how a reasonable person could get involved at that time. One thing I never meant to imply is that if you got involved then, or stayed involved then, that there's something wrong with you. There's as much wrong with such people as there was with me for getting involved in 1989, AFTER reading a whole bunch of anti-cult stuff. I don't know if there's a way I can explain it that absolves me of the crime of being snide: I was snide, whether I meant to be or not. And I'm sorry I was snide. But is there a way to ask that question without sounding snide? I'm not sure. I am sure that if there IS a way of asking it without sounding snide, I didn't come up with it in that conversation.

I'm gonna be sick.

Suda, No apology necessary. I just wanted to clarify the point I made. likeaeagle, I didn't mean to sound particularly snide with my question in the roundtable. Sorry that's how it came off.

For the record, I never meant it was fun to "pick on" those I disagree with. I meant it was fun to carry on conversations with no sense of any ability to change the other person's mind. I try not to "pick on" anyone, but I will endlessly state that, you know, there was a Final Solution ordered by Hitler and he killed six million Jews. If you view that as "picking on" Holocaust deniers, then I'm guilty as charged, but I don't see it that way. Just clarifying.

Crap Pizza Take one slice of pizza. Place crap upon it. Help yourself.

And she's a babe too. With Ferris Beuller.

Sudo, Did you not understand what I was referring to? It's in our Episode 5. Con man. Remember? All right kids, play... Must I do everything myself?

Sky High New quote: "When they look at you, they see what they want to be. When they look at me, they see what they are."

Outstanding. He dissed the Macarena. Wouldn't do it when it came on. The others weren't even brought up to be dissed. Loved that Brady Bunch moment. That was really good.

Dude, EGGPLANT?!?!?! No wonder true Pizzianity is threatened with all these Pseudo-Pizza cults popping up all over the place. Eggplant. Jeesh.

The Age of Innocence ???