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Denying the Holocaust, or questioning its central points (there was a final solution; Hitler ordered it; six million Jews died; many in gas chambers) does not require intellectual ability. It requires the suspension of it.

For the same reason we do not have alchemy textbooks in our schools: it's a waste of time. Why not welcome the revisionist information? Because it's not information! It's twisting of facts and denial of facts on matters already researched and concluded. Would you pay attention to a screed written by the Flat Earth Society that provides all sorts of evidence that Washington, D.C. is not really in North America? Of course not. Why? Because you KNOW that Washington, D.C. is in North America, just like anyone who's studied the subject honestly knows that about six million Jews were killed, many in gas chambers, as a result of Hitler's Final Solution, which was not a mass deportation order but a deliberate attempt to exterminate Jews. If you don't believe me, believe one of the authors you cited: Christopher Browning, who documents this quite clearly in his books (when they're not quoted out of context).

I can't believe you believe that people believe they can be slammed for their beliefs at a site of former "believers" in the law of believing.

It only took you six years to graduate? I'm jealous. It took me 7. :)

I totally understand. I can't take back my question, but I hope you look at it the same way I look at it whenever someone asks me "How could you get snookered by a cult?" I mean, I was snookered. I just can't imagine getting into TWI in the 1990s, so I wanted to ask how a reasonable person could get involved at that time. One thing I never meant to imply is that if you got involved then, or stayed involved then, that there's something wrong with you. There's as much wrong with such people as there was with me for getting involved in 1989, AFTER reading a whole bunch of anti-cult stuff. I don't know if there's a way I can explain it that absolves me of the crime of being snide: I was snide, whether I meant to be or not. And I'm sorry I was snide. But is there a way to ask that question without sounding snide? I'm not sure. I am sure that if there IS a way of asking it without sounding snide, I didn't come up with it in that conversation.

I'm gonna be sick.

Suda, No apology necessary. I just wanted to clarify the point I made. likeaeagle, I didn't mean to sound particularly snide with my question in the roundtable. Sorry that's how it came off.

For the record, I never meant it was fun to "pick on" those I disagree with. I meant it was fun to carry on conversations with no sense of any ability to change the other person's mind. I try not to "pick on" anyone, but I will endlessly state that, you know, there was a Final Solution ordered by Hitler and he killed six million Jews. If you view that as "picking on" Holocaust deniers, then I'm guilty as charged, but I don't see it that way. Just clarifying.

Crap Pizza Take one slice of pizza. Place crap upon it. Help yourself.

And she's a babe too. With Ferris Beuller.

Sudo, Did you not understand what I was referring to? It's in our Episode 5. Con man. Remember? All right kids, play... Must I do everything myself?

Sky High New quote: "When they look at you, they see what they want to be. When they look at me, they see what they are."

Outstanding. He dissed the Macarena. Wouldn't do it when it came on. The others weren't even brought up to be dissed. Loved that Brady Bunch moment. That was really good.

Dude, EGGPLANT?!?!?! No wonder true Pizzianity is threatened with all these Pseudo-Pizza cults popping up all over the place. Eggplant. Jeesh.

The Age of Innocence ???

This whole thread does not exist.

WN: I was derailing. I'll reply in a PT.

Where is baseball mentioned in the Bible? Right in the Big Inning.

Well, if you can't remember, then you've got trouble, my friend. Right here, I say, trouble right here in the Greasespot Cafe.

I think it was hypocritical to recognize the bitter, egocentric carnality of LCM's letter without recognizing the same bitter, egocentric carnality in Wierwille's identical actions. Let's do a comparison: The number of people who left in 1989 who later regretted leaving TWI, v. The number of people who stayed in 1989 and regretted staying in TWI. Gee, I wonder which number is bigger? History proved us right.

Hey Sudo, you know why I'm here, right? You know what I'm looking for, right?

Because it's fun.

Why are you wasting your time reading debunked material? Do you notice no one outside of Harry Potter books studies the science of Alchemy?

I do not grant the contingency of "whether it was six million or one million." It was six million.

If there's pizza with pineapple on it, it's not paradise.