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The king and I Yul Brynner The Ten Commandments

Ah, thank you sir. yes.

To anyone who accepts and practices this doctrine: If you ever see me show up to church wearing a shirt, hat or a sign that says "Please take advantage of me: Abuse me at will," then and ONLY then should you feel free to subject me to one of your personal prophecies. Because Personal Prophecy, as explained repeatedly and CERTAINLY as practiced, is the most blatant invitation to personal abuse and manipulation I have ever seen. Already on this board I can document one time when an individual, referring to a prophecy he/she delivered, told someone else that they were arguing with God if they disagreed with him/her. The person who did this is someone I respect, and the conversation was none of my business so I didn't say anything. But how satisfying it must be to have a disagreement with someone and be able to say, "well, you're not disagreeing with me: you're disagreeing with the God who showed me that vision of you." That's not dialogue: it's a dissent squelcher. Personal prophecy has NO WHERE TO GO BUT DOWN. It's vain imagination plus flashy title.

Considering the dishonesty with which their doctrine was practiced and accepted, I ain't ordering this book or anything else from CES for a good long time. I've seen the fruit: I ain't buying the seeds.

Guys, haven't you learned by now, until the future, there's only one way to handle a ck post: Wipe and Flush. In the future, we'll have three seashells, but for now, wiping and flushing will have to do.

I only have one thing to say to all this: If any self-appointed CES/STFI prophet tries to interfere in my marriage or engagement, they can kiss my disenchanted ...

Not to malign CES as a cult, but you do not need a charismatic leader to have a cult. Most JW's would be hard pressed to name their "leader."

Very funny. :) Anyway, no guesses on my movie? It's an easy one, I think.

Lotsa spoilers in this thread, but really, if you're worried about spoilers in a 26-year-old movie, I don't know that I can help you all that much. ;) If you don't know the back story, here it is. Superman and Superman II were supposed to be filmed back-to-back, the way Lord of the Rings was done. But the original director was fired before everything was done, and the new director changed some things around for part 1 and, with more impact, for part 2. This movie, now available on DVD, attempts to give the "vision" of the original director for Superman II. If I had known this would have been the end result, I would have barged into the Warner Brothers offices and cried out, with passion, NO! DON'T DO IT! THE PEOPLE! This movie is a mess. I'm not even talking about the worst of the worst scenes (the confrontation between Lois and Clark at the honeymoon suite is taken from two different screen tests, with Christopher Reeve looking dramatically different from shot to shot. The result is nothing short of jarring, even if you're willing to forgive the fact that they never got around to shooting the scene with high production value). The real travesty in this edition is the fact that for some reason (arrogance? stupidity?), Richard Donner felt he had to fix things that weren't broken. Result? Punch lines with no set up. For example, Clark promises to get Lois orange juice, "freshly squeezed." But the previous scene, in which Lois explains her newfound obsession with orange juice, is not in this edition. So there's no gag in the "freshly squeezed" line. And the Lois/Superman romance is gone. I'm not saying the fact that they are in love is gone. I'm saying the chemistry has simply vanished. There's a poignant moment in the original where Lois says she's in love with him, and he responds, "We'd really better talk." Gone. The fact that these two are ridiculously in love with each other is not apparent until he's with her in the fortress of solitude. And what's a woman to say when Superman comes onto her at his home in the north pole? Looked like a classic case of date rape to me. Which brings us to our villains. Most of their work is the same (though there's a MUCH cooler explanation about how they broke free from the Phantom Zone). The beginning of their terrorism at the small town of East Houston, Idaho is not shown. I'm going to say that again: They don't show the scene where they first get into fights with locals in town. No arm wrestling sequence. No tossing someone out the front window. No shot of Non trying to figure out how heat vision works. You DO get the scene where Non figures OUT heat vision and uses it successfully. He's got the same smirk on his face, the one that says "look what I did!" But, like the freshly queezed orange juice scene, it's got no setup. Dumb. Simply dumb. And someone, I don't know who, turned the volume on the music down real, real low. This is most evident in the scene where Superman makes his triumphant return. Well, it seemed triumphant in 1980. This time around, it just seems matter of fact. Hey, look, he's back. And why, dear God, why did they ruin (that is, omit), one of the best lines in the movie? "General, would you care to step outside?" Gone. The. Line. Is. Gone. Unforgivable. Replaced with, "General, haven't you ever heard of freedom of the press?" Not a bad line, but really, the 1980 line is so much better because it's a real, honest to God, let's throw hands NOW challenge! Now, how does Superman get Lois to forget who he is? Simple: he presses the rewind button and takes us back to the beginning of the movie. Dear God, I'm not kidding. He turns back the clock. Never mind that the events of the movie are about to happen again (perhaps now according to the original film's superior execution). For curiosity's sake, this is an interesting movie to have. But the original release is the better one. At least in that one, unlike the Donner cut, Lois and Superman will always have Paris.

I'll have to figure out what to do with my websites. In the meantime, I'll put a placeholder pic up.

I'm one of the few people who did not hate Rocky 5. I mean, it was not a great movie by any stretch, but it was watchable and a lot more true to 1 and 2 than the fourth one was. Rocky 4 was a cartoon. I like the third one, too. Haven't seen this last one yet, but I will...

CK, What you have is not commitment or even something as gentle as a closed mind. You have a seared conscience, one that does not know love, God or Christ. On top of that, you have written by far some of the dumbest posts on this message board. Since you will not listen to reason or reproof, the best any honest Christian can do with you is shake your grimy, muddy crap off their shoes and walk away from you. May the power of God in Christ someday break through to your closed, dank and demonic heart. The only thing you have in common with Christ is the letter C in your name.

Mike knows that I have little to no respect for him, that I think he espouses a dangerous and hateful doctrine. I say that because I would rather spend a year with no one to talk to but Mike than spend a few minutes having to deal with ck. Of course, if I ever have a choice like the one outlined above... put the bullet... right here ---> :blink:

Don't know when I'll get another chance to post. Maybe in the morning. Maybe not until Tuesday. So might as well say it now... MERRY CHRISTMAS To All The Customers at the GREASESPOT CAFE!

If I may offer a slightly different perspective... If I'm CES, I'm thinking that there are maybe 10 posts on this thread, 15 at most, that are actually of value to people. The rest are gossipping, backbiting, and the same unhealthy cynicism that has haunted the ex-Way community and kept us away from GSCafe for years. Not saying I agree with the above perspective. Just that if you're in defensive mode, that's the position you're going to embrace.

Steve Lortz is back!

Thank God.

That's what I thought. Blue Hawaii

That's not Roger Rabbit. Wrong guesses are for kids.

Jesus did look about people in anger, but NEVER in hate. You have just exposed and confessed your rebelliousness agains God in Christ. Wwwwwwiiiiiipe... FFFFLLLLLUUUUUUSSSHSSHSHSHSHSHSSSSSHHHH!!! Ok, I'm done.

Actually, I'm looking forward to this. Post here if you saw it. And I don't think there can be a spoiler in a Rocky movie, but just in case, if the ending is unexpected, please don't spoil it.

Deciding whether to call Wierwille Apostle or Lord is like deciding whether to call Angelina Jolie a Man or a Wheelchair.

For the record, that's neither a dance nor an air guitar. It's a "YYYYES!!!!"

As I've said, as someone who is no longer in the STFI/CES community, I do not feel these guys owe me any explanation of anything. If anyone is still giving to CES or considers himself/herself a part of it, feel free to "plagiarize" my questions. I won't sue.