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Actually, I do recall some basis for something along those lines. I'm sure it's in their letter, so I can look it up quickly. It's not in their letter. I'll look it up later.

Did you ever doubt me?

Potato, I'm seeing illness in your family, but please, do not worry. It will be over in five to seven days, as long as the affected person drinks plenty of fluids and gets enough rest. Thus saith the Lord.

Let's see: who are the most reliable prophets in the CESpool? (thank you to whoever came up with that: I can't remember who). Ah, here it is, p. 11: "Tier One: Mature, ordained prophets in good standing with a track record for giving accurate prophecies that extends back at least ten years. Only Tom, Susan and Karen Anne are in this category..." How danged convenient!

By the way, pages 12-28 of this document contain detailed prophetic images and their interpretations. And another 10 pages on prophets and prophecy, clearly intended to establish the authority of the prophetic images that are set forth. It is among the most self-serving documents I have ever read, and I've covered criminal trials. God told me, God showed me, Mark is a pilot of a jumboJet. he's David. He's Job. He's... How CONVENIENT this document must be. Abigail, I understand what you're saying. I simply think the prophetic has given these guys an unparalleled outlet for the immature behavior we can all see. They even have a built-in defense of it (I'm not kidding). "it was noted that there has been a prophetic theme that has pointed to a demonic assault on Karen Anne to shut down her voice." Well, No Shugar, Sherlock! it took God to tell you that people were going to stand up to this silliness? Dude, I cancelled my involvement in CES just for the privilege of not having to hear her voice coming out of my tape player anymore. That wasn't demonic of me; it was necessary for my vehicle maintenance! If I'd heard her refer to herself as a prophetess one more time I'd have rammed my car into a tree. But congratulations on coming up with visions and dreams that would insulate you against the criticism of this meddling, SELF-APPOINTED prophet. That way, when someone complains, "Hey, I can't find any Biblical justification for the utter nonsense that's taking place here," you can respond, "Wow! She predicted this would happen! You're of the devil." You've headed off dissent at the pass. You've made it impossible to disagree with her. You've made it impossible for her to be wrong! You've killed free thinking and reasoned dissent. Congratulations. You've returned to New knoxville. CES/STFI: You people are behaving like a bunch of spoiled children. Worse, you're behaving like a bunch of highly skilled manipulators. And to think, you issued tapes on respecting boundaries. Remember that? You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Well, I don't think you crossed any lines or said anything inappropriate, but okay!

I apologize for bringing up Titanic in that the analogies that come to mind are profound and (hopefully) premature. I only meant to say that the more facts you have, the better, but it's not always necessary to have every minute detail of fact in order to draw a conclusion that serious errors have been made. E.J. Smith was a profoundly good captain. He was experienced, brilliant, the most prized captain in the White Star line. And yet, most bios you read about him open the exact same way. One lousy bad voyage, and his legacy is marred. May the leaders of CES/STFI live out a different fate. I see the letter from the clergy (written by Mark?) refers to him as "the spiritual leader of this church." Have you people learned nothing? CHRIST is the spiritual leader of the church! Mark is the titular leader of an organization that's supposed to be dedicated to SERVING the church. Dangit!

As was yours.

Agreed, it's not the whole story. "The Titanic struck an iceberg on its maiden voyage and sank to the bottom of the Atlantic in April 1912" isn't the whole story either, but it still tells you quite a bit.

Ex10, I'm trying to weigh what you say here, but there are some things that make these more than just "Internet postings." These are letters designed for public consumption, almost pleading with their readers to exercise sound judgment. I doubt highly that they want to deal with hundreds and hundreds of phone calls from people around the country. I am sure they want their words to speak for themselves. What their words are telling me as that there is a PROFOUND level of immaturity at the highest levels of CES/STFI, and it ALL gets traced back to the error in practice, and probably doctrine, of personal prophecy. One need read only a few pages of these documents to come to the inescapable conclusion that the ministry has been overtaken by otitis externa. 2 Tim 4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears. The fact that MG wants the prophetic input to be considered as they go forward is just the icing on the cake, here. And it's a bad tasting cake. To anyone on that board who's reading: when it comes to the prophetic, you've BLOWN IT. You will NOT be able to fix it without abandoning a practice that you clearly do not understand as well as you think you do. Don't believe me? LOOK AT THE FRUIT! I've seen the fruit. I ain't buying the seeds.

"The board's escalating criticism and focus on our marriage has become hurtful and intrusive." Umm, YA THINK?

Wow. Wow. After reading this, I am convinced that CES/STFI is a waste of my time and energy. The Lost Boys are going to elect a new Peter Pan, are they? Well, they'll have leadership all right. But they won't have maturity. CES/STFI: A Non-Prophet Organization.

Bad news, WW. In the next year, someone you know and care about will pass away. You may not know the deceased on a personal level: that much is unclear from my vision. But you will be saddened. But take heart, because you will be comforted, and the difficult time will help you realize you have close friends and family. Hope that helps.

There's an I've Been Elfed thread in just plain silly. i got elfed. It's cool. Jon Lovitz Elfed

WOW! How much for the video? Or do I have to buy a book to explain the video to me? Or does the video hawk the book? Wait, I'm getting a vision! I see a man in a t-shirt and black pants. He's surrounded by vampires and werewolves, and they're all laughing. Many of them have halos over their heads, but several others are crying. The man goes to the crying wolves and vampires, wipes their tears and turns them into halos! Almighty God has spoken! He's saying something that sounds like carp, or harp, or tarp. It's a little fuzzy. Larp? Naah.

ooh! ooh! ME! ME!

I keep trying, but no one listens to me. :) Trying to understand what ck is saying based on his words is like trying to figure out what someone ate based on his droppings. You could do it, but why?

wwwwwwwipe flusssssshhhshshshshshshsh.

Belle, To apply what I said to your marriage, I would say that if your marriage was otherwise happy, your ex-husband was unstable, bewitched, stupid, insane, wacko, or whatever you want to put as the word there, to let TWI come between man and wife.

Chrispy, No offense taken. We disagree on terminology and shorthand, not the essence. When I say "happy" in the context of a marriage, I'm talking about being well-adjusted, secure, open, honest, understanding, etc... a good marriage. I'm not talking about the fleeting emotion of the hour. And I simply don't know (or care to know) whether the Lynn marriage was happy before Glinda stuck her nose in it. As for "bewitched" vs. "unstable," I would argue that they are not mutually exclusive. In fact, i would argue that someone who is bewitched is by definition unstable. I'm merely expressing the sympton. If you want to talk cause instead, be my guest. Someone who is "bewitched" to the point of listening to a prophetess over his own wife, etc, as has been alleged in this case, either is not in a happy (my definition) marriage to begin with or is unstable, either as a result of being bewitched, mentally incompetent, downright stupid or any combination of the three. I'm am not saying that's the case here. I'm saying that anyone (generic) who allows that which was described to happen to a happy marriage is unstable. And if the shoe fits in this case...

Cybil Shepherd Chances Are Robert Downey Jr.

One of the definitions of insanity is trying te same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. JAL has been confronted by people closer to him who know him better than I do. He's also been warned about personal prophecy. His answer, consistently, is, "we have this book..." I was a telemarketer once, but I had to actually call people to try to pitch things to them. If you think I'm going to make a call so that the recipient of the call can try to sell me a book, you're nuts.

JAL does not see the profit in coming onto this board and engaging in public dialogue about personal prophecy or the problems with CES. Likewise, I do not see the profit in calling him to tell him words he would not accept. In reality, my comments are not directed at him. They are here for all to see and comment on. JAL does not see the profit in GS. That's fine. I do not see the prophet in CES.

I dare him to come here and read and post.

You know, this line in John's letter has been bugging me, and I've been trying to figure out why. Then it hit me. John, The woman's known you for decades. It doesn't take a vision from the Lord to make an observation about a close friend. However, it does take a truly devious heart to convert painful observations friends might make into "revelations from the LAWD-uh" that are not subject to scrutiny or even disagreement because they're coming from the creator of heaven and earth. Get it? She did not speak prophetically into your heart. She told you crap she figured out on her own after knowing you for years upon years. By the way, the above didn't come from me. It came from God, so you can't argue with me about it. Take it up with Management. Oh? You don't believe me? Well, guess what? I don't believe your self-appointed prophetess. And based on the lack of wisdom and discernment in what you've posted here, I don't believe you either.