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Wow. Wow. After reading this, I am convinced that CES/STFI is a waste of my time and energy. The Lost Boys are going to elect a new Peter Pan, are they? Well, they'll have leadership all right. But they won't have maturity. CES/STFI: A Non-Prophet Organization.

Bad news, WW. In the next year, someone you know and care about will pass away. You may not know the deceased on a personal level: that much is unclear from my vision. But you will be saddened. But take heart, because you will be comforted, and the difficult time will help you realize you have close friends and family. Hope that helps.

There's an I've Been Elfed thread in just plain silly. i got elfed. It's cool. Jon Lovitz Elfed

WOW! How much for the video? Or do I have to buy a book to explain the video to me? Or does the video hawk the book? Wait, I'm getting a vision! I see a man in a t-shirt and black pants. He's surrounded by vampires and werewolves, and they're all laughing. Many of them have halos over their heads, but several others are crying. The man goes to the crying wolves and vampires, wipes their tears and turns them into halos! Almighty God has spoken! He's saying something that sounds like carp, or harp, or tarp. It's a little fuzzy. Larp? Naah.

ooh! ooh! ME! ME!

I keep trying, but no one listens to me. :) Trying to understand what ck is saying based on his words is like trying to figure out what someone ate based on his droppings. You could do it, but why?

wwwwwwwipe flusssssshhhshshshshshshsh.

Belle, To apply what I said to your marriage, I would say that if your marriage was otherwise happy, your ex-husband was unstable, bewitched, stupid, insane, wacko, or whatever you want to put as the word there, to let TWI come between man and wife.

Chrispy, No offense taken. We disagree on terminology and shorthand, not the essence. When I say "happy" in the context of a marriage, I'm talking about being well-adjusted, secure, open, honest, understanding, etc... a good marriage. I'm not talking about the fleeting emotion of the hour. And I simply don't know (or care to know) whether the Lynn marriage was happy before Glinda stuck her nose in it. As for "bewitched" vs. "unstable," I would argue that they are not mutually exclusive. In fact, i would argue that someone who is bewitched is by definition unstable. I'm merely expressing the sympton. If you want to talk cause instead, be my guest. Someone who is "bewitched" to the point of listening to a prophetess over his own wife, etc, as has been alleged in this case, either is not in a happy (my definition) marriage to begin with or is unstable, either as a result of being bewitched, mentally incompetent, downright stupid or any combination of the three. I'm am not saying that's the case here. I'm saying that anyone (generic) who allows that which was described to happen to a happy marriage is unstable. And if the shoe fits in this case...

Cybil Shepherd Chances Are Robert Downey Jr.

One of the definitions of insanity is trying te same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. JAL has been confronted by people closer to him who know him better than I do. He's also been warned about personal prophecy. His answer, consistently, is, "we have this book..." I was a telemarketer once, but I had to actually call people to try to pitch things to them. If you think I'm going to make a call so that the recipient of the call can try to sell me a book, you're nuts.

JAL does not see the profit in coming onto this board and engaging in public dialogue about personal prophecy or the problems with CES. Likewise, I do not see the profit in calling him to tell him words he would not accept. In reality, my comments are not directed at him. They are here for all to see and comment on. JAL does not see the profit in GS. That's fine. I do not see the prophet in CES.

I dare him to come here and read and post.

You know, this line in John's letter has been bugging me, and I've been trying to figure out why. Then it hit me. John, The woman's known you for decades. It doesn't take a vision from the Lord to make an observation about a close friend. However, it does take a truly devious heart to convert painful observations friends might make into "revelations from the LAWD-uh" that are not subject to scrutiny or even disagreement because they're coming from the creator of heaven and earth. Get it? She did not speak prophetically into your heart. She told you crap she figured out on her own after knowing you for years upon years. By the way, the above didn't come from me. It came from God, so you can't argue with me about it. Take it up with Management. Oh? You don't believe me? Well, guess what? I don't believe your self-appointed prophetess. And based on the lack of wisdom and discernment in what you've posted here, I don't believe you either.

I don't know that JAL's behavior has been contemptible. It would appear that way, based on one side of the story that's been made public. But I don't know what it was like for these two human beings to live with each other. There are intricate reasons for divorces. Two happy people don't divorce based on the ludicrous visions of some SELF-APPOINTED (there, I said it) prophetess unless one or both are highly mentally unstable. What I'm trying to say is that the Lynn marriage is not the point, and criticizing Lynn for accepting the SELF-APPOINTED prophetess over his wife is presuming that the prophetic visions were the sole or the major reason behind the divorce. I don't know that this is true, and I'm not prepared to criticize John for it. (Neither am I saying that it is untrue. I'm saying there's so much to a divorce that to get to the truth of that question, for me, would involve me getting into something that is entirely none of my business). What disgusts me about all this is that, corporately, CES/STFI allowed a SELF-APPOINTED prophetess to insinuate herself into someone else's marriage to begin with. This malicious behavior was accepted, condoned, and encouraged. For that reason alone, the watchmen should be on the walls with bullhorns. And if they EVER try to personally prophesy into my life, I'll slap them with a slander suit so fast they won't know what hit them. Oh, by the way, YES, I am saying that if JAL was otherwise happy but allowed the SELF-APPOINTED prophetess' words to corrupt his marriage, he is highly mentally unstable.

Oh my God! GREAT clues! Waking Ned Devine

Awesome! I've been elfed too!

I'm gleeful. Primarily because I refuse to allow the goings on in Indianapolis to have an impact on my heart and life.

Interesting man, to say the least. May his family find peace.

CK, I don't mean to say you're stupid or anything, but you'd be hard pressed, after scouring the country or the world, to find a million people who remember ever HEARING of TWI, much less getting blessed by it. Let's be clear: it's a ....ant wannabe religion that never, ever got the kind of traction it pretended to get. AND, let's not forget that the majority of people who ever got involved in TWI are now OUT, including (brace yourself) YOU! So if you really want to sing its praises, I'm sure you're still welcome at TWI. Don't let the abuse hit you on your way in. ck and twi. Perfect together.

The king and I Yul Brynner The Ten Commandments

Ah, thank you sir. yes.

To anyone who accepts and practices this doctrine: If you ever see me show up to church wearing a shirt, hat or a sign that says "Please take advantage of me: Abuse me at will," then and ONLY then should you feel free to subject me to one of your personal prophecies. Because Personal Prophecy, as explained repeatedly and CERTAINLY as practiced, is the most blatant invitation to personal abuse and manipulation I have ever seen. Already on this board I can document one time when an individual, referring to a prophecy he/she delivered, told someone else that they were arguing with God if they disagreed with him/her. The person who did this is someone I respect, and the conversation was none of my business so I didn't say anything. But how satisfying it must be to have a disagreement with someone and be able to say, "well, you're not disagreeing with me: you're disagreeing with the God who showed me that vision of you." That's not dialogue: it's a dissent squelcher. Personal prophecy has NO WHERE TO GO BUT DOWN. It's vain imagination plus flashy title.

Considering the dishonesty with which their doctrine was practiced and accepted, I ain't ordering this book or anything else from CES for a good long time. I've seen the fruit: I ain't buying the seeds.

Guys, haven't you learned by now, until the future, there's only one way to handle a ck post: Wipe and Flush. In the future, we'll have three seashells, but for now, wiping and flushing will have to do.