Raf

I HEAR YOU!!!

You're responding to a revised message, for which I apologize. It's COMPLETELY beside the point. He could have sold both books together as a package and it would still be plagiarism. Your ignorance on the subject at this stage is deliberate. I revised because I liked my revision better. Didn't think you'd reply so quickly.

No.

Like I said, otherwise intelligent people are choosing to lower their intelligence levels on this particular subject to excuse his deception, rather than acknowledge it for what it is.

Too bad the grammar test failed a math test. It's not possible to get 98% on a test with 13 questions (unless they're giving partial credit).

How you guys manage to see shades of grey in something so clearly black and white, something you'd NEVER look past if the perpetrator's initials were not VPW, is beyond me. Oh, what was his intent? His intent was to get you to believe he was the author of these works, when in fact he was lifting them in whole or in part from other people. His intent was to insult our intelligence. The effect is, otherwise intelligent people are choosing to lower their intelligence levels on this particular subject to excuse his deception, rather than acknowledge it for what it is.

There you go again. That is absolutely false, WD. It is plagiarism whether the work is in the public domain or not. The public domain issue may make the difference in whether or not something is legal, but it makes no difference whatsoever in establishing plagiarism. The plagiarism is a fact of VPW's work, whether you acknowledge it or not. The GALL! Why are you not interested in VPW's honesty or integrity in taking credit for other people's work?

Two-shay. Commander in Chief

By the way, on what are we basing the thought that these works were in the public domain? On Oldiesman's reprinted copies of the books? Not for nothing, but I wouldn't go to court with that defense. I'd do a LOT more homework. Regardless, plagiarism of a work that is in the public domain would still get you an F in any college course. But I guess real life and the word of the almighty God is less important than that. Lower standards for God, higher standards for man. Is that it?

'tis indeed.

Do you even HEAR yourself, WD? You are excusing dishonesty in a so-called man of God that you would never excuse in any other profession. What, because he spoke for God (aka, his belly), he can use all sorts of dishonesty, he can lie to you about his own words, and you think we're the ones who are wrong for calling him on it? Your priorities are twisted. Umm, no, that's not how it works. As I said earlier, if I released "Romeo and Juliet," by Rafael Olmeda, would you not call me a liar? VPW was a liar. That is not a matter of opinion. It is established fact. The matter of opinion iws whether you find it excusable or not. And clearly, you do. And integrity means integrity. It means truthfulness. It means honesty. I think that about sums it up.

"I'll never be a hero. I had a chance once. Janine's cat was drowning in the pool and I jumped in to save it. But when I realized I had to give it mouth-to-mouth, I threw it back in." ***** "Hi, Denise. Whatcha reading?" "It's a magazine article that uses the quantum theory to describe infinity." "Is it any good?" "Yeah, but it goes on forever." ***** "You insult my cooking. You insult my looks. You insult the way I dress..." "Did I miss something?"

Thanks FC.

Just posting this so that the number of posts no longer reads 666. Creeps me out. :)

heh heh heh

Arachnaphobia John Goodman Sea of Love

By the way, Linda, if it seems I'm being hard on you or overly antagonistic, I apologize. I actually respect that you write with logic and clear thinking, even when I don't agree with your conclusion. A tough argument deserves an uncompromising response. But I think you're great and I love to dialogue with you, even when we're not on the same side.

I don't think it was naivette. The man had a master's at the least, and supposedly had a doctorate too. If people want us to accept the doctorate as genuine, they cannot use "naivette" as an excuse for his poor documentation. Further, naivette makes it sound like he didn't know what he was doing. I submit that such a thesis simply CANNOT be true, on the grounds of the master's at least.

Apologetic nonsense. It may mean we have no LEGAL problem, but we have a problem of honesty and integrity. Which means more in a man of God? That he followed the law? Or that he told the truth?

"Flawed human being" is a euphemism designed to detract from the truth that the man was a manipulative predator who deliberately hurt God's people in His name.

1. The absence of a copyright notice does not mean a work is not copyrighted. The notice simply makes it easier to establish legally. 2. This is more important: whether there was a copyright notice or not, whether it was in the public domain or not, it is immoral, unethical and dishonest to take someone else's work and claim it as your own. That's why you can't go into a bookstore today to purchase "Romeo and Juliet" by Rafael Olmeda. I didn't write it. "But it's public domain!" True, but I didn't write it. "But you wouldn't be breaking any laws!" True, but I didn't write it. Nothing that is said or done can change the fact that something dishonest and unjust was done through plagiarism, period. Illegal? Maybe. Maybe not. But once we're talking about whether the actions of VPW in the supposed authorship of his works was legal or not, we've accepted plagiarism as a fact and are merely moving onto the question of "so what?" which is where I think this conversation should be anyway. Wierwille's plagiarism is an inescapable and undeniable fact. How one feels about it is individual.

A Man Called Horse ? Iman Cole Doris

FullCircle, I'm not sure about what you meant when you posted "Not agreeing to false prophecies (sp) and accusations made against a person was considered hardness of heart? I consider that to be a strong stable person." I just want to be sure you know that I did not intend to imply anything about Elizabeth's stability. My statements about mental stability are directed at John, and then ONLY if he allowed those prophecies to ruin an otherwise happy marriage. I do not know that the marriage was otherwise happy. Nor do I want to. It's none of my business.

Gotta be the Voyager where they discovered Seven of Nine.