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Nope. Sorry for the delay in updating...

heh heh heh.

"Okay you guys, listen up! People pay good money to see this movie! When they go out to a theater they want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in the projection booth! Do I have to come up there myself?" **** "Fred, what we want is, I think, what everyone wants, and what you and your viewers have: civilization." "Yes, but what sort of civilization are you speaking of?" "The niceties, Fred. The fine points: diplomacy, compassion, standards, manners, tradition... that's what we're reaching toward. Oh, we may stumble along the way, but civilization, yes. The Geneva Convention, chamber music, Susan Sontag. Everything your society has worked so hard to accomplish over the centuries, that's what we aspire to; we want to be civilized. You take a look at this fellow here. (Shoots him in the head) Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized. Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past." **** "All they have to do is to eat three or four children and there'd be the most appalling publicity." **** "BUY! BUY! BUY!" "SELL! SELL! SELL!" "Well, it's rather brutal here. Right now we are advising all our clients to put everything they've got into canned food and shotguns." **** "Sir, I'm... I'm sorry about the building." "I'm not." "You're not?" "For one thing, we're insured for the damages. For another, maybe it wasn't a place for people anyway. It was a place for things. You make a place for things... things come."

Nice try, Mike. That you could hightlight "The Way" and ignore "Ministry" and claim "The Way" there is a reference to Christ would be astonishing to me... if it were coming from anyone else.

[ctrl]f "jesus" no matches found [ctrl]f "christ" no matches found All I need to know.

You're still in?

ROTFLMAO

You left out that I engaged in hyperbole, a perfectly valid figure of speech (look it up in your Funk & Wagnall's, or Bullinger, if you prefer) to describe what would constitute acceptable hard evidence. Otherwise, yeah, you pretty much nailed it Oaks.

The post before that referred to what it would take for someone to believe Wierwille said anything right. My post referred to what it would take for someone to believe Wierwille was a predator who abused God's Word and people to satisfy his lust for money, sex and power. Not my fault you tried on the shoes and found a snug fit.

"Snappish."

Can someone jump in? I'll be away from the computer for the next couple of days.

"When guys are persistent, it's romantic, they make movies about that. If it's a woman, then they cast Glenn Close." *** "Bygones." *** "A fat man, trying to squeeze through a narrow chimney, and I taunt him with Oreos and whole milk."

WD, I notice in your chastisement that you neglected to quote the post I was responding to in the first place, thus being able to conclude that I was bringing up the "evidence" issure out of thin air. So here's the post I was referring to... So, you see, far from bringing it up out of nowhere (your second demonstrably incorrect accusation against me on this thread), I brought it up as a specific parallel to the post immediately before it. Regardless, we've both been told this is off topic. So let's keep it that way.

Amen, Mark. That's my point, exactly.

And that would be a false accusation, WD. I replied to Jeff in a PM, as he requested. But the answer to the question is in this thread. The "Moonwalking Bear" is that which is plain for anyone to see, as long as you are not distracted by irrelevancies that call your attention away from it.

WD wants proof. Do you have any rock solid proof. Not testimony from abused Christian after abused Christian, many of whom are turned off Christ forever as a result. No, testimony is not proof. He wants stains on dresses. He wants videotape. He wants to do a drug test that can pick up traces of laced drinks imbibed 35 years ago. Nothing short of that will consitute proof! Pay no attention to the moonwalking bear!

Speak for yourself. Some of us are led to other conclusions. Such as: VPW could have left a signed confession with a videotaped addendum, and some people would still refuse to acknowledge that he was a predator who abused God's Word and His people to satisfy his lust for money, sex and power. You only need to eat one person to be a cannibal, no matter how many people you met and did not eat.

"Okay you guys, listen up! People pay good money to see this movie! When they go out to a theater they want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in the projection booth! Do I have to come up there myself?" **** "Fred, what we want is, I think, what everyone wants, and what you and your viewers have: civilization." "Yes, but what sort of civilization are you speaking of?" "The niceties, Fred. The fine points: diplomacy, compassion, standards, manners, tradition... that's what we're reaching toward. Oh, we may stumble along the way, but civilization, yes. The Geneva Convention, chamber music, Susan Sontag. Everything your society has worked so hard to accomplish over the centuries, that's what we aspire to; we want to be civilized. You take a look at this fellow here. (Shoots him in the head) Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized. Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past."

Giveaway: "Fred, what we want is, I think, what everyone wants, and what you and your viewers have: civilization." "Yes, but what sort of civilization are you speaking of?" "The niceties, Fred. The fine points: diplomacy, compassion, standards, manners, tradition... that's what we're reaching toward. Oh, we may stumble along the way, but civilization, yes. The Geneva Convention, chamber music, Susan Sontag. Everything your society has worked so hard to accomplish over the centuries, that's what we aspire to; we want to be civilized. You take a look at this fellow here. (Shoots him in the head) Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized. Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past."

Boston Legal

UMM! Is that the new "Duh for The"?

Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free. We want the essentials. Dinettes. Complete bedroom groups. Convenient credit, even though we've been turned down in the past.

Look, boil it down to this: "He did plagiarize, and it matters." "He did plagiarize, and it doesn't matter." "He didn't plagiarize." If you hold to the first statement, I agree with you. If you hold to the second tenet, I disagree with you, but I respect you for acknowledging the obvious. If you hold to the third tenet, I cannot say anything to you without violating at least 14 Greasespot rules forbidding personal attacks on your reading comprehension skills, understanding of vocabulary and astonishing lack of intelligence.

This is nitpicking, and it depends on how you define "passing it off as his own." Wierwille most certainly did credit people for their ideas. But he also plagiarized. The two ideas are not incompatible. In one chapter of Order My Steps in Thy Word, he spends several paragraphs plagiarizing Kenyon, then in the very same chapter providing an appropriately documented lengthy citation of Kenyon's work. The fact that he credited Kenyon with DEF doesn't change the fact that he plagiarized ABC. Saying your stuff is not original is not a blank check that permits you to plagiarize other people's work.

C. Thomas Howell E.T. (yes he was) Drew Barrymore