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I don't think it's off topic at all, Twinky. It seems like your question is perfectly aligned with this thread. Dividing to every man severally as he wills... Does "he" refer to the man, or to the Spirit? Makes all the difference, doesn't it? I don't know the correct grammatical answer. I know what we were taught (it's the man) and I know the alternative view (it's the Spirit), but I am unqualified to judge which answer is correct. Wierwille's definitions of heteros and allos were inconsistent and often ridiculous. I believe he said heteros was "another when only two are involved" and allos was "another when more than two may be involved." He never got around to explaining why the word "other" in "turn the other cheek" was allos. Maybe Jesus was counting butt cheeks to bring the number of cheeks on a human being from two to four? Another distinction between the terms is that allos is another of the same kind, while heteros is another of a different kind. When I was reviewing usages of the word, these definitions struck me as more Biblically consistent. But my review was far, far from exhaustive. If you were to show me why that distinction is incorrect, my confidence would not be shaken (because it's so low to begin with). By the way, yes, I am aware that Wierwille's heteros/allos distinction was borrowed from Bullinger (I won't say plagiarized, because that's unfair. Wierwille's articulation may have been plagiarized, but accepting the definitions and applying them are fair game). In any event, I am dismissive of the blatant inaccuracy, not the source.

You're on the right track, but wrong train. The first movie has an 8 word title and starred Andy Garcia. The second is three words and starred Susan Sarandon, but not as the title character. Your post used the term "in Denver." That exact term is in one of the titles.

Okay, let's get the bucket list out: Catch a Colorado Rockies baseball game, maybe a Broncos football game, maybe check out the Historic Governors Museum... Hopefully I'm allowed to do all this while awaiting execution...

Geisha posted this one in the I Corinthians thread. I thought it would be worth putting up here. http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/giftoftongues.html

I think this game is... not catching on. ;) My Fair Lady and the Tramp

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"What I mean by that, sir, is if you was to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile from Adolf Hitler... with a clean line of sight... Pack your bags, fellas. War's over. Amen."

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The integrity of God's word is unaffected by my willingness to lie for it. My belief casts no judgment on the integrity of the Bible or its authorship by Paul, Moses, Luke or God. It is about the integrity of Wierwille's interpretation and instruction, which is fair game. If questioning a teacher's doctrine and methods is not fair game, Wierwille would have had no career. Except maybe as a basketball player.

"Doctor" knew they would criticize the manifestations because he knew he was faking it and teaching us to do likewise. It doesn't take a prophet to make that prediction. I knew my position would be greeted with defensiveness and recitation of PFAL buzzwords and propaganda. That wasn't God giving me a vision of the future. It's common sense. Continuing to engage in free vocalization as part of your prayer life is between you and God. It's not what's described in Acts and Corinthians. We know this because it is producing something else. Claiming the benefit of SIT while faking it is like paying for a pack of gum with a counterfeit $100 bill and looking forward to chewing it and pocketing the $99 change you'll get back from the cashier. You go ahead and do that. None of my business.

No, the congregation can look at it and say "this is nuts," and walk away. The child cannot. The adults responsible for this poor kid's maturity and personal growth are morphing him into a parody of what they want him to be. They should be ashamed of themselves. And if this makes me judgmental, so be it. Getting a little tired of suspending good sense for fear of violating some ridiculous rule against exercising sound judgment anyway.

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Geisha, please post that link in the SIT Online Reading Room! It's in doctrinal.

I'll keep this brief, since it's off-topic. James "The Amazing" Randi is a small fellow, surprisingly small, and quite frail looking. But sharp as a tack! His wit is extraordinary. He does these meetings once a month that are not much more than an intimate gathering of fans and a look ahead at local events he's involved with. They're all of an atheist bent, for sure, but for anyone who loves science, they're pretty interesting. On Wednesday night, he spent a good deal of time going over some old pictures in an album he brought along. He also performed an interesting card trick. I'll make that brief: he got one of his fans to place a deck of cards in two even piles, one by one, alternating at random intervals (two on this side, three on that, one on this side, one on that, two on this, etc.). When it was over, one side contained all the red cards, the other all the black. Tadaaaa! I have no idea how he did it. Must have been magic.

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Incidentally, I don't think Vern Poythress' paper can rightly be called a "scientific study," seeing as he doesn't appear to be doing the research himself or interpreting his findings. Looks more like he's reviewing other studies and interpreting them from a non-judgmental theological framework (which, when you think about it, would explain why he sounds like Samarin when he sticks to observable facts but more like you guys when he gets into the theological implications). In that light, it's unfair for me to have called him "laughably biased." A biased writer of such a work would have been judgmental and declared this all a bunch of hooey.

Ok, so, seeing no objections, I will step firmly on Human toes... Never. I'll never turn to the Dark Side. You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.

Inspirational versus revelation is a Wierwillian distinction, not a Biblical one. Nonetheless, it sounds like what's being described is: SIT as taught by TWI will look, sound and feel exactly the same as free vocalization (which, I think it's been firmly established, any child or atheist can do). Ok, so it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... Everything else I'm thinking, I've already said.

:) That was flipping funny.