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Be nice, Garth. He has as much right as the rest of us.

Maybe I'm dense. I'll try again: What aspect of the raising of Lazarus is covered differently in the REV than it is in other Bibles? What does the REV have in that story, either in the verses or in the commentary, that one cannot find elsewhere? Why are you calling attention to it? What is your question? I'm not seeing a question.

See the part I put in bold? That's where the Outsider Test comes in. It's the point where we don't give the Bible a boost, but we in fact put it on a level playing field with every other book claiming to be divinely inspired. Once you do that, it becomes impossible to defend. BEFORE you do that, you have to contort yourself to accept what would otherwise be unacceptable. Slavery isn't so bad... at least it wasn't American slavery! Forcing a woman to marry her rapist beat the alternative! (Never mind that God, if he were moral, could have mandated a more moral alternative!). We HAD to stone sabbath breakers to death. Otherwise, people would disobey God left and right! Which... they... did... anyway. We dismiss the atrocity of the Old Testament by patting God on the back for having the wisdom to do away with it in the New Testament (which Jesus explicitly says he did not do, but that's okay because Paul, who never met Jesus, said otherwise). We would never accept these contortions coming in defense of the Q'uran. But in defense of Leviticus and Deuteronomy? Well, you have to understand the culture of the time... The only thing you have to understand is that the Bible never rose above the morality of the people who wrote it. You can see how the morality thread is a logical extension of this one: just more targeted and specific.

That was not a derail. Just saying.

But The Muppet Movie did.

http://www.wtwonline.org/index.html http://www.bing.com/search?pc=AMAZ&form=AMAZWB&setmkt=en-US&q=%22work+the+word%22

Dagnabit. Mike Meyers. That's twice I done did that

Working the word consists of getting it to say what it must say no matter what it does say.

Not stupid. Just confused one movie for another, like I just did. Austin Powers III Tom Cruise Mission Impossible (any)

No. Go for it.

I am a season and a half behind on Arrow

A Hard Day's Night to Remember the Titans

Martin Landau won for Ed Wood, not EdTV

KG looks like LCM. Am I the only one who got that?

I meant what she said.

A couple of things, and I'll just speak for myself. I don't think anyone is stupid for believing. I believed most of my life. I don't think anyone is a lunatic, either, BUT I would make a similar comment with the understanding that it's essentially a challenge. That is, I would REALLY be saying that you don't know the OT as well as you think you do. That is not very different from my tactic on the longer morality thread. More later.

Rosanna Arquette Amazon Women on the Just Kidding After Hours Griffin Dunne

Oops

Leonard Part 6 Joe Don Baker The Distinguished Gentleman

Some of it was handled ok, but in general, yeah, a letdown from the previous high

Van Helsing

On vacation. Missed it. Will watch tonight

Ok. Sybil Danning Howling II Christopher Lee

Yes

He wasn't? I was thinking of earth girls are easy