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"The concept of God evolved over time." Yeah, that happens with fictional characters. Originally, Superman couldn't fly.

Depends on whether we're talking about Christians or people who call themselves Christians but don't seem to have the slightest idea what Christianity stands for.

To me, the notion that an all-powerful God cannot remove a corrupt murderer as king without jeopardizing the security of Israel is contradictory. If He's all-powerful, he should be able to do that with no difficulty whatsoever. Christians today would NEVER handle this the way Yahweh did, for the simple reason that Christians today are more moral than the God they worship. Of course, I'm talking about ACTUAL Christians, who care about things like morality. If we're talking about hypocrites who CALL themselves Christians but know nothing of morality, they would probably elect a stone-cold murderer as long as he hated the same people they hate.

? I answered you sincerely and without sarcasm. What gives?

I think I am not the one with a prepackaged argument that doesn't flow. You're the one making excuses for a killer to get away with murder, and a God too weak to do anything about it other than shrug and say "Well, you wanted s king!" Don't you think an Almighty God could craft a way to protect Israel AND see to it that justice is served? I mean, without letting an innocent baby die to teach his dad a lesson?

I don't understand how God can be Almighty while simultaneously unable to protect the kingdom from a sociopathic king. And no, the answer is not "free will." An all-powerful God could institute a system of government in which a murderer can pay for his crime without the kingdom falling apart. Unless of course, "all-powerful" is not really true. Respectfully, you would reject your own reasoning if applied to any other god. He pays in conscience? Sheesh. Look at what worship makes people excuse.

I'm being silly? You're inventing alternative universe genocides to justify David not having to pay for his crime, and I'm being silly?

If you can invent a genocide, I can invent a bunch of lives that would have been saved if David had been removed and jailed instead of "bygones, you get to have Bathsheba as your wife now." Starting with his son.

What the bloody hell? Talk about a straw man! You can straight up invent a genocide that would have happened if David were removed?

Twinky, my point is that present day Christianity would do exactly what I said... he would be tried for conspiracy to commit murder or some related crime. He would not be let off the hook because oh well. Because modern day Christians are more moral than Yahweh. But thank you for reminding me of the topic. (That was sincere, not sarcastic)

Whose murder did he facilitate before his removal? Oh, right.

Just a reminder, if this argument were used in defense of any other god, you would point to it as evidence of that god's immorality and unworthiness of worship. I won't "derail" the thread further. If you want to continue, feel free to open a thread in Questioning Faith. (Note: I put "derail" in quotes because I don't think it's really a derailment, but courtesy demands taking this train of discussion elsewhere).

More like, F-you, Uriah! The king was horny!

Jailing David would have been immoral. WOW. Look at what theism talks us into!

Umm, he's of INFINITE knowledge and wisdom. No, it's not a strawman argument. It's only a strawman argument if He's not what He is claimed to be. Which is sort of my point.

If only God in His infinite wisdom had instituted a democracy instead of a monarchy. But how could he have known the ramifications of a monarchy. Oh yeah. I'll stop.

Modern day Christendom would have imprisoned David for life, and possibly had him executed. The bottom line is, it would have recognized that David needed to face justice for what he did. For more on how people are more moral than Yahweh, see another thread...

I'll suspend your account for a week. That should do the trick. :)

You probably know this already, but that was the movie adaptation of the William Shatner episode. Made for a great moment on Third Rock From the Sun, too. Folks, PLEASE knock off the namecalling. Rrob is welcome to post here. Challenge his assertions, but let's leave the personal namecalling out of it, mmkay?

Are you saying that a group of people reinforcing each other can talk themselves into a lie even though they would otherwise know better? Now WHERE have I heard THAT before?

Psst. Rob... you're the guy going the wrong way on the highway. We're here for you.

Be nice.

Neighbors

um. ok.

Agents of Shield isn't exactly being replaced by Inhumans. If I read it correctly, the shows will bounce off each other. Shield will be back.