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I'm looking through my Vudu account for some more favorites. I'm not going to include blockbusters. Those are like R,S,T,L,N and E on Wheel of Fortune. Just get them out of the way. Here are some others you may or may not have even seen: Benny and Joon Creed (the best Rocky movie since Rocky) Good Will Hunting The Edge (Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin and Bart the Bear) Shattered Glass Quick Change Manhunter (aka, the first Hannibal Lecter movie, which starred Brian Cox, not Anthony Hopkins). Finding Forrester Heat (Pacino and DeNiro's first on-screen meeting) Groundhog Day Dead Poets Society The Dead Zone Halloween

I didn't think about it that way, JJ, but you're right. This article is nearly as political in nature as it is doctrinal. Considering that it didn't spark a fight or anything, I'll leave it be. But thanks for pointing it out. We'll be careful to monitor that line between faith and politics to make sure Greasespot's rules are followed. I don't think they were broken here, but the potential was far more obvious than I recognized when it was originally posted.

TLC, Simply put, you'e picking a fight with DWBH. Stop. Now. Your premises regarding the thread and forum are wrong. They have been corrected in this thread. Deal with it.

He's qualified, he's qualified, he's qualified. Will he leave us alone now?

Ok, caught up on Arrow. It's getting a little long in the tooth, no? But glad they picked Vigilante back up (this is LAST week's episode, by the way). Would have been strange if they just let that drop.

behind on all but Flash, but Flash was SO MUCH FUN this week!

Trolling, George. My guess was correct.

Ok, so, to sum up where I'm at now: I obviously don't believe there is such a thing as "god-breathed." Clearly these writings are not history. To the extent that they are sincere, they are an attempt by flawed men to understand the will of a God whose attributes evolved over time. In doing so, they fell all over each other. "I am the Lord! I change not! Except for that thing. I changed on that thing. Oh, and the other thing. It was a different time. But I didn't change! You know, just, times changed." Some of their musings turned out to be wonderful and stood the test of time. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is, understood properly, better than any other law man could come up with. "Here's the correct way to handle a runaway slave" is less worthy of admiration. There's also an extent to which this book is an effort by some people to control other people. There's nothing to admire there. I would never say there's nothing good in the Bible, just as I would never say there was nothing Biblical in TWI. I would say that whatever is good in the Bible is good because good men put it there. And what is bad is God's fault. Just kidding. Wanted to see if you were still reading. What is bad in the Bible is bad because the men who put it there were bad, or wrong, or mistaken, or evil, or... human.

I'm just kind of trying to soak this thread in. It casts a rather wide net (either that, or I don't get the point). So here's my journey, in a nutshell: I thought TWI had it right. I thought Wierwille had it right. Not because some voice in his office made him a promise or sent him a snowstorm in early October. I actually didn't know that story. I thought he had it right because of the stream of logic (including the many flaws therein that I failed to recognize at the time). But a lot of what happened here at GSC forced me to let go of the framework I had built up to stave off criticisms of the Bible. I think most of us have that framework in common, at least at some point in our lives. What we chose to do with it is individual, but we're here on this site because we accepted TWI's assertions at one point. You know what I'm talking about: there are no errors or contradictions. The first century church had it right, got corrupted, and we've been dealing with the repercussions ever since. The apostles all fit in a Honda. (They were of one accord. Get it?) Then came the great James debate, and my holier-than-thou effort to reconcile Galatians and James against certain people's determination to yank James from the canon. I gave it my best, but in retrospect I feel I fell short. My premise was wrong. Galatians and James do contradict each other. A lot. They don't even agree on fundamental terminology. They use the same words to mean different things. Reconciling them is exhausting work precisely because James and Paul are not just discussing different topics, but they are doing so in a way that establishes neither of them truly grasps the other's point. I finally realized that there are... contradictions? No, I preferred to call them paradoxes: two ideas that coexisted even while seeming to contradict each other. We are saved by grace. We are saved by works. It depends on what you mean by saved, grace and works. And then came the Actual Errors thread: the notion that Wierwille's writings were God-breathed was contradicted by a simple application of Wierwille's definition of God-breathed to his works. Wierwille's books could not be God-breathed if they did not meet the criteria his books set for what God-breathed means! Blah blah blah. And then someone pointed out, hey Raf, using that logic, you can't establish that the Bible is God-breathed! And that turns out to be true, using the same logic. The only way out was to use a different logic: The Bible could still be God-breathed if Wierwille was wrong about what God-breathed means, what characteristics a God-breathed document would exhibit. So now I'm looking at the Bible as a collection of writings by people who did not always agree with each other. Some other things became clear later on: Paul all but calls the author of Luke a flat-out liar. Whoever wrote Mark was barely familiar with the geography of Palestine. Job... JOB! This story could not be literally true unless God was unspeakably capricious and cruel. Who among you would compensate a man who lost his dog by giving him a new dog? Yet God compensates Job with a new wife and children. What-what-WHAT? Does God know everything? Did He know from before the dawn of time that I would scratch my left forearm as I typed this post on Nov. 9, 2017? And not only does he know everything that will happen, he knows everything that WOULD have happened had we all made different choices about everything? Do you have any idea how many contingencies (parallel universes) each person would trigger on an average day by choosing one thing over another? God knows ALL those contingencies? [Yes, I posted before I finished my thought. You didn't really want me to drone on and on, did you? We all know where this story ends...]

Yes, I made the mistake of stopping midway through your first post, sending mine, then realizing that you'd already addressed my question. Thank you though. In the interest of making sure it doesn't become an "atheist" thread, I'm going to leave it here unless another moderator reads and thinks I've misjudged. I trust that all views are welcome for discussion, though.

Correct

My thoughts, generally: When an represents what happens when someone approaches scripture with an open mind. it is REALLY hard to argue with his logic. Not impossible. Just hard.

"Because of the obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens due to the crisis that is even now developing, this radio station will remain on the air day and night. This station and hundreds of other radio and TV stations throughout this part of the country are pooling their resources through an emergency network hook-up to keep you informed of all developments. At this hour, we repeat, these are the facts as we know them. There is an epidemic of mass murder being committed by a virtual army of unidentified assassins. The murders are taking place in villages and cities, in rural homes and suburbs with no apparent pattern nor reason for the slayings. It seems to be a sudden general explosion of mass homicide. We have some descriptions of the assassins. Eyewitnesses say they are ordinary-looking people. Some say they appear to be in a kind of trance. Others describe them as being misshapen monsters. At this point, there's no really authentic way for us to say who or what to look for and guard yourself against. Reaction of law enforcement officials is one of complete bewilderment at this hour. Police and sheriff's deputies and emergency ambulances are literally deluged with calls for help. The scene can be best described as mayhem."

This is Cloverfield

Before I get invested in this thread, is this a "Christians only" perspective you're seeking, or can I feel free to explore from my non-Christian perspective? If the latter, would you prefer the thread stay here or move to Questioning Faith? I promise not to interfere if uninvited. :) [I finished reading the opening post AFTER I posted this comment. I'll consider placement and decide tomorrow. Clearly there's no rush].

12 Angry Men = 24 examples of juror misconduct. The Untouchables: Not even in 1930s Chicago can a judge remove a jury from one trial and replace it with a jury from another trial. Not even in 1930s Chicago can a defense lawyer decide, without consulting his client, to withdraw a not guilty plea and enter a plea of guilty. Holy crap! My Cousin Vinny: Ok, I got nothing on My Cousin Vinny. Law schools use it to teach, for f-s sake, who am I to critique it?

Don't even get me started on courtroom movies. :)

I don't typically watch journalism movies because they get so much wrong. But Shattered Glass is an exception because it's focused and doesn't pretend to be more than it is. It's not The Fate of The World or lives at stake or anything. It's about what journalism IS, what it's supposed to be, and how vulnerable it is to corruption. It's also over before you know it.

A movie I can watch over and over again without feeling like any time has passed: Shattered Glass. It's about a journalist who makes up his stories, and how he gets busted. It's a true story.

Gifted will have to go on my "one show too many" list, I'm afraid.

Game of Thrones and Inhumans appears to have a villain in common. Maximus is Ramsay Bolton. Also, how is there no Game of Thrones thread?

I'm caught up on everything but Gotham (loved Season 3) and Inhumans. How is Inhumans? I haven't even begun to begin.

He was hinted at once before, but it was MUCH more subtle.

Oh, and in case it's not obvious, I'm bowing out of all game threads until further notice. If anything by any chance is still waiting for me, by all means kickstart the thing if you wish.