Trefor Heywood

Thanks for the vote Tom!

Yes act2 it's worth having a go yourself if you only want to do the one thing. Failing that you might be able to find someone who can transfer the tapes for you. Glad to be of help.

Yes Jonny I did :D--> We are fortunate at my place of work in that we actually have a room for smokers. Unless the new company takes it off us! Thanks for the support!

Yes ebay is a good site. However watch the wording - any indication that "slight attention" or "heads need cleaning" means avoid like the plague. But good ones can go for fabulous prices - one over here which was in immaculate condition, and still with box went for over twice its original price. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Yes Jonny! There is obviously no hope for me! :D--> Def - it is not a ploy. The number of times the same points have been made and countered becomes plain if you care to count how many times the same points have been made on the 31 pages of this thread. It's pointless doing the old pantomime thing of: "Oh yes it is...!" "Oh no it isn't...!" Mark covering the coloured viewpoints was a new element. I pointed out that there was more than one coloured viewpoint. Now back to the important subjects of Betamax machines and terrorism. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Being a Betmax fan myself I won't be laughing. It's very unfortunate that this superior system was beaten by VHS. But it does mean that service and repairs become considerably harder to get. I have a couple of Betamax machines that need fixing. I have been given details of a place in Manchester UK that does it but they would be PAL versions, not that this would affect the tape transport mechanics. A site that may be of help is: Betamax Palsite For general information and has loads of links you can take a look at. Hope this helps and best of luck! Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

I am relaxed actually. Yes Mark posted a new angle. But Long Gone rehashed the argument regarding gays can "enjoy" heterosexual marriage and Jonny rehashed the argument that equal rights are special rights. These things have been covered already quite a few times. Right time for another cigarette which I can enjoy in the privacy of my own home... :D--> Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

We have reached the stage of boring rehashed repetition ad nauseam. Unless people have something original to add or there are further developments that are of interest, why don't we calm down and take a holiday? Otherwise we are going round in circles - claim and counter claim, argument and counter argument. Accusations and counter accusations. I'm sure we all have a real life to lead. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

I accept what you say Mark. There are always those who think that once they have achieved what they see as right etc that nothing more needs to be done. I came across this link to a black columnist who challenges that view in the Miami Herald: Leonard Pits - Miami Herald Article Something for people who have reached that mindset to think about perhaps. Added to original posting: Hey Zix! I think I got this link thing right! :D--> Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Just when it looked as if this thread had died a death.... :D--> The fact that some black leaders don't see it the same way is neither here nor there. There are whites also who don't see it that way and there are whites and blacks who do. Being gay is not limited to white caucasian males. The fact that blacks cannot hide their skin colour, whilst having been a more obvious means of discrimination, does not invalidate the inspiration that some people see in Rosa Parks and others who stood up against the discrimination of the time. There are many things that are not immediately obvious but which are nevertheless treated differently. And the original Kensington is of course in London. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Bluzeman: Aww you have spoiled my illusions now! Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

I just wonder what happened to the monkeys in Finding Nemo. Perhaps Bruce the Shark got them! Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

What I said was merely a joke in response to Hills Bro's comment. When you have to explain the joke the point of it is lost. But the ferry does indeed look impressive. I wonder how long it will take for the journey compared by going by road via Niagara Falls. I have only been on the Toronto Islands Ferry which is only a short journey.but has impressive views. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Hmm looks impressive! What a wonderful way of linking the gay communities of Toronto and Rochester together Hills Bro! :D--> Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Zix: It wouldn't bother me. My son, gay or not, would have been made as aware about the activities of paedophiles as would any daughter of mine. They would be told to report any such attempts to both myself and the appropriate authorities. Over here everybody who applies for positions of trust is now vetted and checked for criminal records. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Zix: Only single men get "impure thoughts"? No I wouldn't as you say act upon them but it's highly unlikely I would have the thoughts in the first place as youngsters of that age are not my bag. Here in the UK sixteen is the legal age of consent by the way. However the argument made that to "protect" 0.01% is worth it could be indefinitely extended to ban just about anything you wanted to. It's overkill and it is also insulting to the 99.9% who are trustworthy individuals. Nobody would apply that argument on the basis that 0.01% of the heterosexual population in such a position of trust was a paedophile. Here we allow openly gay scout leaders and there are no problems. It is a non-issue. Children are in much more danger from issues like obesity etc but we don't ban sweets (candy) or crisps (fries) or stop them eating Macdonalds. We don't stop them swimming because some children have been drowned. We don't stop them crossing the street because some children have been hit by cars. We try to apply common sense not fear. We teach them about dangers and how they should deal with them. That is a much better solution in my own humble UK opinion. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Zix: It's a common rule that these situations are dealt with by a member of the same sex, Period. They do not make an exemption for gay male swimming coaches in the female showers. My local sports centre has a sauna suite and they have times for men and times for women - they do not ask if the gay men want to be with the women instead, they don't ask te sexuality at all, just the gender. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

The Catholic church has many different kinds of sexual issues that it is not very good at confronting. To be fair though, such abuses are by no means limited to catholic priests, there have been scandals in quite a few other denominations too which for some reason have not attracted the same amount of coverage. Perhaps they were not swept under the carpet and veiled with as much secrecy as the catholic bishops did. One of the key points made out in many of the reports I used to read was an inability to form and maintain adult relationships - this was irrespective of the sex of the victim or whether or not the perpetrator was heterosexual or not. The misreading of signals was also a major factor, the natural affection of children being interpreted as something more personal and intimate. Frequently the abusers were close relatives - parents, older siblings, uncles, grandfathers. The subject is more involved and wider than many people think. NARTH has a viewpoint and an agenda just as much as NAMBLA does. They will both seize on anything they think helps their cause. I say a plague on both their houses. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Zix: I don't know what the scouting rules are as such but I don't hear about a scout leader of whatever sexual orientation taking scouts of the opposite sex out on overnights. I don't think that Baden-Powell (who incidentally liked looking at photographs of naked boys even whilst he railed against the evils of masturbation) allowed for that scenario. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

def: It's clear that you will fight to your last breath for some reason, however tenuous, to deny gay marriage. Your logic would continuously shift to new extremes of incredulity. "If we let gays marry they will want to marry their pet goldfish next." etc etc ad nauseum People marry again and again already. It's just that they have to divorce before marrying the next one. We call that serial monogamy and people who deny gay marriage will fight to preserve their rights to do so. Hardly a principled stand in defence of marriage is it? Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Yes Dot - see the in memorium section. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

I changed the ] to and = and it still doesn;t show the short link which I typed in. Further there is no UBB codebox appearing under the posting area on my computer. Boy must I be an ignoramus! Thanks for clarifying Godwin's Law. Never heard of it before but then I wasn;t around very much in usenet days. The juxtaposition on the page I cite merely shows where similar arguments have been used before and comes from the Matthew Shepperd pages. It seemed to me to be talking about arguments rather than politics and personalities. Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Zix: What is Godwin's law? Sounds something ancient and anglo-saxon! Thanks for the advice on the URL stuff - I am still feeling my way around this tech stuff so bear with me! :D--> Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

And an interesting resource which shows quite a few aruments and claims you can make against gays, set in juxtaposition with previous things said against another group. http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hitler/hitler.html Compared with what some of these gays claim, def's allegations are on the mild side! Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!" Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

An interesting article about the NARTH v NAMBLA contraversy from the March 2002 American Psychologist http://66.102.11.104/search?q=cache:X_UNql...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]American Psychologist March 2002 [This message was edited by Trefor Heywood on March 12, 2004 at 9:24.]