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OMG yes, I most certainly did. One time after I went on a trip I stopped at a mall and did some shopping. When i got home I was confronted by my fc for getting home later than I said I would. She wanted to know what i had done and why. Was it really a need? I should have stuck to my itinerary because I could have let the advesary in. I should have called first to see if an exception could be made. I just wanted to buy a turtle neck. This needed to be discussed? I have about five million more of these experiences, I wish I had done what you did right away and refused. This all caused me to become confused and fearful about making even the simplest decisions. It took years to recover, and to this day I still catch myself over thinking something and having anxiety attacks over insignificant decisions.

I know what you mean. I used to be in charge of the weather too. Too bad the movie Bruce All Mighty hadn't come out yet. We could have showed them what happened to Japan when Bruce had the moon moved. We should have been congratulated for not changing the weather when we had the power bestowed upon us to do so...................

Know that you know that you know that you know.................. Where did you "miss it"? Go til you hear glass. We'll sleep after the bema. Walking by all 9 all the time. (Really-who does this?) <_< Detailed mindedness. Mark and Avoid. God showed me...... And the worst of all...The suggestion of a leader is tantamount to a command.

So where is he and what does he do now?

Thanks for the info. Yeah, lockstep with twi is what I meant. Interesting. Hope the kid didn't suffer living under that kind of false prophesy.

Java Jane, I was thinking about your brother today and I had an idea. Have you ever heard of the lost boys of polygamy? I've seen some shows about boys born into groups that practice polygamy. A lot of young boys are thrown out with nowhere to go and no money because the older leaders are afraid of the younger men, they want to stockpile the women for themselves. Lost boys (polygamy) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia See also: Lost boys "Lost boys" are young men who have been excommunicated or pressured to leave polygynous groups such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS)[1]. They are allegedly pressured to leave by adult men to reduce competition for wives within such sects, usually when they are between the ages of 13 and 21.[2] Simple mathematics dictates that with the birth of roughly equal numbers of boys and girls, and without an influx of females from outside the community, the practice of one-husband/multiple-wives polygamy leads unavoidably to shortages of marriageable females and a surplus of marriageable males. In particular, FLDS men are each expected to marry at least three wives.[1] While some boys leave by their own choice, many are ostensibly banished for conduct such as watching a movie,[3] watching television,[4] playing football, or talking to a girl.[2] Some boys are told not to return unless they can return with a wife. There are also young women[5] who have left or been pressured to leave because they did not want to be part of polygamous marriages.[6] One estimate is that between 400 and 1,000 boys have been pressured to leave for such reasons.[1] Boys in these sects are commonly raised not to trust the outside world, and may be taught that leaving their communities is a sin worse than murder.[7][8] These boys are usually left with little education or life skills and must learn to live in a world about which they know little, while dealing with the consequences of being shunned by their families, and believing they are beyond spiritual redemption. The families of banished boys are told that the boys are now dead to them.[4] Some individuals, such as Dan Fischer, a dentist who left the FLDS church, work to help young men who have left or who have been ejected from polygamist organizations in cities like Hildale, Utah, or Colorado City, Arizona.[9] [10] I was wondering if people who work to help these boys might have some insight or advice to offer for your brother because he would probably have had some of the same experiences as some of these lost boys. Just a thought. Hope you don't mind.

Oh dear God. That's even scary when you think anout it. What an insane thing to say.

A lesson hard learned. I think she is right. There is no way it will happen again because you do really know. I didn't do it to my family, but I let go of really good friends who would have been better for me if I had stuck with them instead. But I chose the whackos. I see now they had been true friends to me. Don't completely know why I didn't see it then. But I treasure the true frinds I have now and I know I'll never make that mistake again either. It's not too late for your brother. It takes a lot of strength and determination to stay sober for two years. That really does say a lot about him. He probably will end up having a succesful life and be able to give the compassion he was denied. It just takes time to heal first.

I should have listened to you and got the barf bucket first. Two questions: Are there any family members "still standing?" Most of his kids and families seem to have distanced themselves decades ago. What about the special prophesy he had about the one grandson? Did he ever do anything? Wasn't he supposed to be "the one"?

It was almost as if some people were gleeful when bad things happened to believers just so they could give that "knowing look" and say "aha! I told you so!" Uh...what about not rejoicing in iniquity? But then again, for years the same attitude was held against other Christians not with the wy so I guess the leap was easy for them to make. Really, how completely ungodly and insane for leaders to promote Christians being against Christians. We should be happy for each other, not gunning for each other. In my opinion.

Wow, that really hurts my heart for him. But good for him he has stayed sober for two years. Are your parents able to help him now? I can't imagine the guilt they must have gone through over this. I know a lot of families that are a tattered mess because of twi. I'm sorry yours was one of them. But even so, as you said, you do love each other and that will help.

When West Nile Virus himself was expected to M&A his own kid-he suddenly no longer agreed with twi and left. Wonder if he has any remorse for how he treated other people and their families.

Congratulations. It's interesting that in approx the same amount of time-you were able to successfully rebuild your life and yet the one who yelled so much has not.

I never liked singing christmas carols with the words changed to waymin lingo. It was embarassing.

I can't believe I took the advice of people who were so egotistical.

All that moving was so dumb. I spent a lot of time moving people, the same people over and over again. Claening their houses and packing up ther stuff. Just because another lease ran out or they found a chaeper place to rent. All in the guise of being debt free. I was so lonely for friendship at times even though I was surrounded by "believers." Some of these believers were strange and sucked the life out of me. Others were just so mean and legalistic (mostly leadership). I started hanging out with friends from work and it was such a relief. I wasn't "winning" them to the word, but they were fun and intweresting.

Unthankful is right. They did not appreciate wonderful people. Just used them then trashed them.

What God was tellin us: Over burdened poeple living on a shoe string budget on long road trips in hot weather where they can't afford to stop at a hotel and let themselves and the car cool down will have their old jalopies break down.

Living in a crappy apartment working crappy jobs. I guess fowertune 5000 companies don't know he's "available."

*There used to be very talented musicians. But they were all kicked out over nothing. It's like what happened with the ABs-those idiot leaders thought they could kick everyone out and still bring in money. They couldn't bring in good music either, especially after only "corpsse" was only allowed to do Way Prod. * STS always the same formula. First verse of song sung by choir-then leader walks out, everyone stands and claps. They even became so numb to it themselves-Loyster didn't notice his intro was sometimes "years I spent in vanity and pride, caring not my lrd was cruzifide" Loyster would then walk out, smile and we'd all clap. Was I the only one who noticed what an ironic intro this was? *Way Mag-I knew someone who was dropped from the corrpse for not renewing her way mag subscrp. She had shared with a room mate-but not good enough for dick head leaders. She had given up her job and place to live to accept new way corrpse position and dick head leaders told her she was dropped day before ROA over the stupid way mag thing. No job, no where to live. The wife of the state coord was a total c*** who was gleeful when she told her. Over the sucky mag that they had to brow beat people into subscribing.

Is he still with the way?

How about "go til you hear glass" That was really dumb. Was I supposed to go flying into a plate glass window to get results?

True. Very true. But I think I hated the adv. class specials over Thanksgiving more. A time when families are supposed to be together and I was using vacation time to go to a hotel and be yelled at. I liked the hotels, being somewhere different-but the classes and the intense pressure sucked. They were really an unappreciative bunch of self serving leadership. I remember seeing a leader guy I had once been friends with. I went up to say hi and he held his finger up and said "excuse me please" and turned to someone else and acted like it was more important to first talk to someone else. He was being big leader guy. I walked away and lost all respect for him and suddenly missed my real family, who were not a-holes.

Right. For all the bragging about good stewerdhip blah blah blah... they didn't have to care while everyone else was picking up the tab. You're right, a business owner would lose evrything if he or she allowed things to run like that.

ROA1985. The loyster looked like this