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Maybe back in Hellenistic time, these uncommon people might have gotten sick in their stomach at these people in these meeting places of the Hellenistic thing of Alexander the greats one world view? Kinda like the Way and their truth? But the is like every man made thing in the world, the Way can write you off, all the churches to that, but the Way stopped researching; no research, no grow, become another teaching of the world? Alexander the greats thing, that took a lot of time to creep into that network? Could these so called Doggie Philosophers have used writings under false names, because of the Hellenistic dudes had their nose in the air all the time, and they controlled everything? It cool how these doggie folk infiltrated this system of Alexander the great, and his one world view? Maybe by the time the Romans came along, these doggie dudes infiltrated deep; the Romans would just leave it alone, and take their money?

Could their been like greek Glenn Becks in them days, greek Beck points of view of morality in these meeting places, but the doggie folks found a way, through these writings under a false name, to get their stuff into the greek Becks?

The phenomenon of "Pseudepigraphy" that is, writings under a false name, that was very, very popular in the ancient world, seems a lot of people were doing it?

I guess their were these "Doggie Philosophers" living according to nature, if it feels good, do it; the dogs do it in the street, we can too thing? VeePee's spiritual thing, VeePee became a Doggie Philosopher with his spirit, I guess he had a motorhome, but these people did it in the streets? It seems somebody in late antiquity decided that they wanted a series of letters that talked about the philosophy of this nature living thing. The letters of Plato, their is a big difficulty trying to figure out, are all the letters that exist in ancient Greek manuscripts that claim to be letters of the philosopher Plato, are they really by Plato? Tripe how the nature folk attacked Plato, that is how powerful that network Alexander the great set up, those meeting places?

Alexander the great, what this dude did is something else, from what I understand, this is the first dude to have a one world view? From what I understand, this Alexander dude set up in every town a place for the elite to meet? I guess Alexander was unconcerned with the common man, farmers and such, but by controlling the so called elite with this meeting places, kinda what the Way did, in a way? If anything was going to get done, it was done through this Alexander dudes network of his one world view, those meeting places across the Hellenistic Alexander world, so to speak? I guess these dudes would sit around naked, talking about the concerns of their time, talking about everything under the sun, while they got a sun tan I guess? Seems the Way did this, they controlled the twigs; they were unconcerned with the leaf, because they controlled the twig? Thanks Sunisis, you always got the good stuff to think about, thanks for the learning.

I think I understand that the Romans would let conquered nations worship whatever, as long as the Romans got their money, I thought I heard that the Romans would even sacrifice to other conquered nations, just in case sacrifices so to speak? The Hellenistic thing was already in place, the Romans left it alone? Alexander the great put it in place, I posted a long time ago that it was Peter the great, sorry about that. The greeks have a cool history, the story of the 300, just the training one of them 300 went through to be a 300; that is mind-binding? Back in them days, to do anything, or be anything, one had to speak greek, even the Israelites were faced with how much of that Hellenistic to get caught up in; like us with the world, just how much world does one allow, kinda crazy? I think I understand what these men were talking about, seems the Way is the same way, one has to speak what is approved, in order to get anywhere, brown nosers? Could you imagine what Paul went through, but they reason the word in two years and three months, over the known world, I think? What was being taught in this Hellenistic circles became ingrained because of Alexander the great, I think he was the first one with a one world view, logos was a ingrained thing at that time of Alexander? I wonder if the greek thinkers, they knew the essence of a rock, but did they think about that tree of life, the life that tree produces, could make that rock come alive? That noun of that life we are going to get, cool stuff.

It seems like Mississippi, I get a understanding of Mississippi, maybe I don't know everything about Mississippi, but I see the heart of it; but then someone comes along, and starts talking about Mrissippi? The Noahide covenant, did the greeks teach that covenant? Yahweh wrote that story in the stars their in Genisus, during the fourth a day, about this second Adam, Genisus 3:15; but the story of the stars are not telling their story, once the gathering together happens, the stars will start to tell their story? Just throwing it out, GreaseSpot learning?

Hi Sunesis, I thought it strange that Emanuel, their is something different about that in the Tanakh? Logos is a cool word too look at, in the light your looking at logos; but growing in that new nature, that new nature that was planted into your old nature in which you were born with. That second Adam endured those temptations, the second Adam had pure blood, just like the first Adam, that blood of the second Adam did walk into that tent heaven itself, into a tent, not pitch by man? But it is wrong for us to tell another story, that has nothing to do with what John is saying, a lot can be reasoned out of the first five verses of John-wisdom-, but verse 6-14 of the storyline, that was added? The Israelites had a specific worldview, and they imposed that worldview; that radical new worldview was monotheism? Trippe stuff, hope you are doing well?

Specific Arguent--I guess I would say, the torah, was the torah translated to hebrew, from the greek translation, or was the torah written in hebrew? Funny how the greeks needed a greek translation of the torah? The torah tells us of the history of a people in covenant to Yahweh, all this is for are learning and understanding, their in romans; specific arguent, the greeks were gentiles? Also in romans, the gentiles were without Yahweh and hope during the storyline of John 1:1? So what is said in romans, contradicts John 1:1; add logos and their are bad contradictions, that could be a specific arguent? I'm doing my best, hang in there with me on this, if I am wrong I will change it; but that Abram, what a heart, but wasn't greek?

The contradiction is in the fact that they put logos in John 1:1, bad move, John 1:1 is during the Mosaic covenant, logos is against the law, according to the law? Whatever logos means to the greeks, cool; but to add logos to the historical facts of a people, who's formation of a nation, is in covenant with Yahweh? What gives the right for the historical facts of the greeks to add their history, to a people that are in covenant to Yahweh? John 1:1 is during the Mosaic covenant?

Abram was told by Yahweh he is going to be the father of great nations, and he has a barren wife? This happen during the late broze age, the suzerainty covenant, did the greeks have a suzerainty covenant? Was logos thought of in the late bronze age? Where in the midst of the greeks, is Yahweh going to cause his name to dwell?

The Israelites had a specific worldview, and they imposed that worldview; that radical new world view was monotheism. During the late bronze age, were the greeks Arameans? What came through Isaac's seed?

In verse 23 I left out, -and make our abode with him- it just seems that is bogging down the storyline, I also changed in verse 24 -but the Father's who sent me- to -but the Father's instructions- it is a cool read, leaving that stuff out? I wrote in verse 26 -the power of the Holy- why not, that is what it is? I also left out -in my name- just seems not right their in verse 26? I left out in verse 28 -for my Father is greater than I- it just seems to bog down the storyline, those 11 knew who Yahweh is, they also knew all about that power of Yahweh too? This 14th chapter of John is a cool read.

John 15:1 is when Yeshua and the 11 started walking to that garden. John 14:23--Yeshua answered, saying to him, “He that loves me, observes my instruction, and my Father will love him; but he that loves me not, observes not my instruction; and the instruction which you hear, is not mine, but the Father’s instructions. I have spoken these things to you while I am with you; but the comforter, the power of the Holy, whom the Father will send, it will teach you everything, and will remind you of all that I say to you. Peace I leave with you; my own peace I give you; not as the world gives, I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor be afraid. You heard that I told you, I am going away, and I will come to you. If you love me, you would rejoice because I am going to my Father; and now, lo, I have told you, before it occurs; so that when it shall have occurred, you may believe. Hereafter I will not talk much with you; for the ruler of this world comes; and yet he has nothing against me; but that the world may know, that I love my Father, and as my Father instructs me, so I do.” “Arise; let us go away from here.” --John 14:31

Wisdom was in the beginning, not logos; I say it is safe to say, logos is a meaning of men, Yahweh didn't put logos in John 1:1. Their is no way anyone can reason logos into Yahweh's word, I would say, it is safe to say, Wisdom was in the beginning, not the meaning of logos! Man and their little tricks in Yahweh's word, logos, what junk! So I stand before the Cafe and say, Wisdom was in the beginning, in John 1:1, logos is a greek meaning, added to Yahweh's word!

Sorry for asking all these reasonings roberterasmus, not long ago, I stubbled across Christine Hayes course from Yale, the reasonings that came out of her mouth, it is from her reasonings, because Yeshua, the Anointed of Yahweh? Something she said about their were many people with this honor of being Yahweh's Anointed, but this Yahweh's Anointed has pure blood, the second Adam? I think that this has something to do with the comforter, seems their is something about that comforter to Israel, but in verse 16, Yeshua is going to ask the Father, and the Father will give them another comforter, seems I understand, and yet their seems more, how does this first comforter apply to Israel, knowing that someone has been Anointed by Yahweh, would that give Israel comfort? In verse 18, I will not leave you bereaved, that is a trippe word, bereaved? Just trying to learn, thanks.

Trying to learn more about John 14:1-14:22-Let not your heart be troubled; believe in Yahweh, and, believe in me. You know where I am going; and the way you know.” Thomas said to him, “Our teacher, we do not know where you are going; and how can we know the way?” Yeshua said to him, “I am the way, and truth, and life; no one comes unto my Father, but my me.” Philip said to him, “Our teacher, show us the Father, and that is enough for us.” Yeshua said to him, “Have I been all this time with you, and have you not known me, Philip? Believe you not, that I am with my Father and my Father is with me? The words that I speak, I do not speak of myself; but my Father who abides with me does these works. Believe, that I am with my Father and my Father is with me; and if not, believe because of the works. Truly I say to you, he that believes in me shall do the works which I do; and even greater than these things he shall do, because I am going to my Father; if you love me, keep my instructions; and I will ask of my Father, and he will give you another comforter, that it may be with you, the power of the Truth; whom Israel cannot receive, because they see it not, and know it not; but you know it, because it abides with you, and is upon you. I will not leave you bereaved, for I will come to you after a little while; and Israel will not see me, but you will see me; because I live, you will live also. In that day you will know, that I am with my Father; and you are with me, and I am with you. He, with whom are my instructions, and who keeps them, he it is that loves me; and he that loves me, will be loved by my Father; and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.” Judas said to him, “My teacher, why is it that you will reveal yourself to us, and not to Israel?” I changed that lord, to teacher; what right have I, I don’t, just GreaseSpot learning? I took out that, for ever? Changing that world, from world to Israel, that is a trip? Their is a lot going on in this John 14:1-14:22, it is getting really really getting late at night, Judas Iscariot is off getting all those people together, it would be scary stuff going on in the minds of these 11 men? Seems that the main theme of this storyline is to keep Yeshua’s instructions, I changed that commands, to instructions, I don’t know why? That, because I live, is the verb form of that noun of that life, that is what Yeshua is going to reveal to his 11 and others, Yeshua is going to show them that life he got, the life he was going to have, back in John 5:26? When those 11 and others were behind closed doors for fear of the Israelites, didn’t Yeshua say to them, after Yeshua revealed himself in their midst, has a spirit, a flesh and bone body as you see I have, their in Luke? Yeshua showed them his flesh and bone body, that has that life Yahweh has, within that new body, Yeshua showed them what they are going to get? Maybe these reasonings can help with that reveal, Judas asked about?

Should we leave out verse 7, I don't think that verse 7 belongs in their, look at what Philip asked? Should we leave out verse 13 and 14, just seems to much asking going on here, those 11 knew about asking, and who to ask? In verse 16, should that for ever, be in their, surely that power of Yahweh, that was upon Yeshua, went back to Yahweh, when Yeshua died? Cool stuff, thanks for the input.

Should we add back verse 2 and 3 into this, because in the storyline of this John 14:1, it starts after the last supper, while they were walking, but Yeshua said it before he crossed that brook, and then went to that garden? It seems Peter is telling Yeshua something at the end of chapter 13 of John, 13:30 they left that house and were walking when Peter said what he said in 13:36; so by leaving out all of verse 2 and 3 out of chapter 14 of John, the storyline stays in tune with what Thomas asked?

Don't Logos seem to like, make Yahweh a tyrant? Did Lucifer go against Logos, like Lucifer is going to take on three Logos looking dudes? Their is nothing in the stars about this Logos, funny how the greek dudes that came up with Logos, changed the means of some of the stars? I may be wrong, but I don't see how you Logos buff's are going to get around the stars, you don't mind if I change back Libra back to the Alter, why did your greek teachers change Libra to scales, or whatever it is? Roberterasmus knows I will change all of this if I'm wrong, look at what he taught us in that Mansions thread? I can throw this Logos out to the Cafe, because the smartest researchers on the face of the earth are in the Cafe, and I don't see Logos having too much legs to stand on? One can Martindale me, one can call me crazy, but I know their are way smarter people in the GreaseSpot Cafe then me; no go, Logos?

I try to keep warm with my new nature, the old nature is cold, I'm struggling to keep my conscious clear. My old nature, plus my worldly thinking, equals mud; but that new nature has been planted in me, so I struggle to keep warm, I struggle to keep my mind right, I struggle to grow fruit, but I struggle on. The ball is in my court, what I do with what has been planted in me, is up to me; how I think, is up to me, but I will be known by my fruit. No way around that fruit, people will know one by their fruit? Could Logos teach that, on it's own in it's time....?

John 14:1--Let not your heart be troubled; believe in Yahweh, and, believe in me. You know where I am going; and the way you know.” Thomas said to him, “Our teacher, we do not know where you are going; and how can we know the way?” Yeshua said to him, “I am the way, and truth, and life; no one comes unto my Father, but my me.” Philip said to him, “Our teacher, show us the Father, and that is enough for us.” Yeshua said to him, “Have I been all this time with you, and have you not known me, Philip? Believe you not, that I am with my Father and my Father is with me? The words that I speak, I do not speak of myself; but my Father who abides with me does these works. Believe, that I am with my Father and my Father is with me; and if not, believe because of the works. Truly I say to you, he that believes in me shall do the works which I do; and even greater than these things he shall do, because I am going to my Father; if you love me, keep my instructions; and I will ask of my Father, and he will give you another comforter, that it may be with you for ever, the power of the Truth; whom Israel cannot receive, because they see it not, and know it not; but you know it, because it abides with you, and is upon you. I will not leave you bereaved, for I will come to you after a little while; and Israel will not see me, but you will see me; because I live, you will live also. In that day you will know, that I am with my Father; and you are with me, and I am with you. He, with whom are my instructions, and who keeps them, he it is that loves me; and he that loves me, will be loved by my Father; and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.” Judas said to him, “My teacher, why is it that you will reveal yourself to us, and not to Israel?” Ending at John 14:22, I think I see what roberterasmus has established? I left out John 14:13;14, that might be a stretch?

I think John 14:1-14:4 should be; "Let not your heart be troubled; believe in Yahweh, and, believe in me. You know where I am going; and the way you know." Just leave out John 14:2-14:3; I think I see what your saying, thanks.

Well said cman, that is a deep thought? Trying to steer my mind from the old nature, which is my darkness; but a new nature has been planted in me, it is a struggle to grow that new nature. Maybe in my struggling through this life, I might get that life in John 1:4, that is light to me, to get that life. The second Adam got that life in John 5:26, I got a shot at that life, the first Adam did not stand his ground, and I got robbed, but it is up to me to grow that new nature. It is up to each one of us to grow that new nature, which has been planted in our old nature; that new nature is not inherit, that new nature has been planted by Yahweh within each of us, that new nature is up to each one to grow? What is so cool about this new nature, the wisdom of Yahweh, not the Logos of Yahweh, but the wisdom of Yahweh made this possible for us, Yeshua was his Father's little buck-a-roo, we can be oor Father's little buck-a-roos too?

Too cool, teach me more on what your reasoning here; in the storyline of the gospels, Yeshua and 11 of his disciples finished that last supper, it seems Yeshua is telling his disciples as they are walking to that brook, and then to the garden, about how Yeshua is going to prepare something for them in John 14:2; but this John 14:2 is during the Mosaic Covenant? Yeshua did say he had other sheep in John chapter 10, I think that is that new nature, sheep living that new nature? Could the body be what was hid in Yahweh? You are right, one solid reasoning, in my Father's House are many; cool stuff, look forward to more learning, thanks.