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Genesis 2:16-17; And Yahweh commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat, but as for the tree of knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it, for as soon as you eat of it, you shall die." Maybe Satan wasn't lurking around the garden itself, but was up in a tall tree on the edge of the garden, as he over heard Yahweh command Adam not to eat of that tree; after all this lurking around, Satan has a way to get into that garden?

Genesis 2:15; Yahweh took the man and placed him in the garden of Eden, to till it and tend it. In Genesis 2:8, Yahweh must have placed Adam on the edge of the garden, then in 2:15, Yahweh placed Adam in the garden of Eden? Satan lurking around, watching Adam tiling and tending the garden, and also wondering what is up with those two trees?

Genesis 2:10-14; A river issues from Eden to water the garden, and it then divides and becomes four branches. The name of the first is Pishon, the one that winds through the whole land of Havilah, where the gold is, (The gold of that land is good; bdellium is there, and lapis lazuli.) The name of the second river is Gihon, the one that winds through the whole land of Cush. The name of the third river is Tigris, the one that flows east of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. This Eden must have been big, how cool it is that a river issues from Eden to water the garden, what a sight this must have been? Only in the garden was every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food? Satan lurking around, got his eyeball on those two trees?

Genesis 2:8-9; Yahweh planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and placed there a man whom he had formed. And from the ground Yahweh caused to grow every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food, with the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good ad bad. How cool is this, Yahweh formed Adam in Eden, then Yahweh placed Adam in a garden that Yahweh planted in Eden; as Adam stood their, Yahweh caused to grow every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food, what a sight that must have been for Adam? I sure those two trees got Satans attention as he was lukering around, where was the rest of Satans clan, they weren't lurking in that garden?

Let's reason Eden, but forgive me for using only Yahweh, all I know is my Father; I don't know if that makes sense? Those names are important, but that is in another thread ( Christine Hayes ) if one would like to reason those names out? Eden---Genesis 1:24-26---Yahweh said, "Let the earth bring forth every kind of living creature: cattle, creeping things, and wild beasts of every kind." And it was so. Yahweh made wild beasts of every kind and cattle of every kind, and all kinds of creeping things of the earth. And Yahweh saw that this was good. Was the whole earth Eden? After Satan and his clan got their feet wet, now they are lurking somewhere around Eden? I wonder if it is at this time frame, when Satan decided to be that serpent thing, or at least he was thinking about it? Trippe how Satan is lurking around, and then, a living being, a man was their?

Genesis 1:5-28 says I can't say Yahweh was resting, when the event in last part of Genesis 2:4 is happing, how cool is that? So this is like the beginning of the sixth day, (trippe how it uses the sixth day, instead of a fifth day? Coming out of a fifth day, going into the sixth day; Satan and his clan find themselves with wet feet, because of Genesis 2:6; verse 5 of the same chapter, their is no man to till the soil, then a living being is their that can till the soil in verse 7 of chapter two of Genesis. Oops, I forgot to reason Genesis 1:24-31, this must be Eden in a way, because in Genesis 2:8, Yahweh planted a garden in Eden, in verse 10 of chapter two, a river issues from Eden to water the garden? Cool stuff.

It is also crazy how this power from on high is tied into this new nature, their in Galatians 5:22; you are on to something, because it is on the person to produce what that new nature is capable of; but that power from on high that is in us, works a whole lot better if one is doing what one is capable of, the best one can? That power from Yahweh is no seed, so we would have to be born anew with this new nature; through our struggles through life, somehow we produce fruit?

Maybe what Satan saw Yahweh do, when that man became a living being, Satan knew Yahweh had every right to do this? The very minute Lucifer destroyed what was living on the earth, while that earth was in the first heaven, Satan lost all rights to the earth? The Kavod, could their have been some kind of Kavod Yahweh was in? This man is not standing in the garden of Eden at this point in time; the only way Yahweh could be on the earth with one man standing in front of him, is if Yahweh was in some kind of Kavod? Their stands a flesh and bone living being with pure blood, Satan lurking around to get a look; that must have been a wild snapshot to see?

Genesis 2:7; Yahweh formed man from the dust of the earth. He blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being. I'm sure this took some time, one the minute water is on the whole surface of the earth, then their some dust? But what was Satan thinking when he saw that man; Satan has seen that kind of man, before? Why didn't Satan just walk right up to this man and murder him, he murder the people in the garden on the earth, while it was in the first heaven? But I if we think about it, Satan saw some of the craziest things happen on the earth during the fifth (a day) or fifth time frame; no, I think Satan is going to hang on to his lukering?

You tried to show me this seed thing before awhile back, but I forgot the thread; you are on to something here? I like GreaseSpot learning, I can throw it out their the best I can, I know in my heart that the Cafe will help me out? It is what you said before, about this seed thing before this, I think you said something like VeePee taught about some seed thing; I think I remember that teaching, so I throw that seed whatever out their, I should have saw what you said the first time, but I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box. What is cool about all this, if we are right, who knows, maybe the Way will have to rewrite their books, Paw is not going to let the Way steal our reasonings, they are the Cafe's? Thanks for the learning.

I got to stop saying "a seed of new nature", thanks for showing me that? I should be saying, "you are born anew with a new nature"? I will chuck the seed thing, thanks buddy.

Genesis 2:5-6; when no shrub of the field was yet on earth and no grasses of the field had yet sprouted, because Yahweh had not sent rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the soil, but a flow would well up from the ground and water the whole surface of the earth- Yahweh got him a good rest, and all of a sudden, a flow would well up from the ground and water the whole suface of the earth, maybe Satan and his clan were in ankle deep water or so? What were the thoughts of Satan, was he focused, did all this water remind him of something; perhaps Satan remembered what he did to that earth while it was in the first heaven? Lucifer destroyed the earth, and that earth was left flooded, lifeless? But Yahweh, a flow would well up from the ground and water the whole surface of the earth; a flooded lifeless earth about to be brought back to life? Here is the beginning of the lurker Satan, I don't think Satan got in Yahweh's face, not after that fifth a day or fifth time frame, I'm sure he became a lurker, lurking in the water?

It is interesting that in verse 4 of Genesis 2 it says the story of heaven and earth; but later in that same verse it says made earth and heaven? All the more reason for us to understand what is about to go down here? Let us not forget what Lucifer did, how he murdered what was on the earth, while it was in the first heaven? Check out Yahweh's wisdom behind all this, cool stuff how Yahweh sets up Satan?

John 3:1-22; And there was a man of the Pharisees there whose name was Nicodemus, a ruler of the Israelites, and he came to Yeshua by night, and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are a teacher sent from Yahweh; for no man can do these miracles that you are doing, unless Yahweh is with him.” Yeshua replied, saying to him, “Truly I say to you, that, unless a man be born anew, he cannot behold the sovereignty of Yahweh.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can an old man be born? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?” Yeshua replied, saying to him, “Truly I say to you, that unless a man be born of water and new nature, he cannot enter the sovereignty of Yahweh. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of new nature, is new nature. Be not surprised that I said to you, you must be born of new nature.” Nicodemus answered, saying to him, “How can these things be? Yeshua answered, saying to him, “Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things? After these things, came Yeshua and his disciples into the land of Judah. Here’s the record of this new nature, born a new? Thanks for any insight on this, but remember, this is part of the story line of the four gospels and the first chapter of Acts; this is during the Mosaic covenant? Under the Mosaic covenant, would Yahweh send Yeshua to the world, not; to Israel, yes?

It is also interesting that Satan and his clan had a front row seat, they saw how Yahweh destroyed that DNA replication stuff during the fifth (a day) that fifth time frame? Mind bidding how that fifth time frame came to a end before Satan and his clan's eyes? As Yahweh rested, I'm sure a gloominess stirred within, and yet a readiness within Satan, not knowing; and yet, Yahweh wrote what is going to happen in the stars, during the fourth (a day) forth time frame? Did Satan know the story, or did he learn the story by his lurking around?

It is interesting that the DNA replication (that thing on (You Tube) was not at work during this time, when Yahweh was resting on the seventh a day? Satan destroy that DNA replication stuff on the earth when it was in the first heaven, Yahweh destroyed that DNA replication stuff on the earth when it was in the second heaven? Satan knows Yahweh is going to start that DNA replication stuff up again; but what is bugging Satan, is he does not know what that DNA replication is going to make this time around, after Yahweh gets done resting? I wonder if Satan knew Yahweh was resting? It must have been a still in the air, so to speak?

Genesis 2:3-5; And Yahweh blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because on it Yahweh ceased from all the work of creation that he had done. Such is the story of heaven and earth when they were created. When Yahweh made earth and heaven-when no shrub of the field was yet on earth and no grasses of the field had yet sprouted, because Yahweh had not sent rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the soil,. I tried to get some reasonings going on about those seven (a days), I learned I can't use the north, what is in the north is their, but can't call it the north? It is interesting how Satan and his clan were standing around on a shrubless and grassless earth, all the time while Yahweh was resting on the seventh a day. Satan knew something was up, that must have be a nerve racking time for Satan and his clan? Just showing the roots of the first lurker, Satan knows its on, but what Yahweh is up to, that is wearing on O Satans mind?

I wonder what Satan thought, when he saw those two trees, in which Yahweh caused to grow from the ground with all the other trees, in that second garden? Satan lukering around, over hearing Yahweh command Adam of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for as soon as you eat of it, you shall die. The Tanakh uses the word bad, instead of evil; for that tree? The Tanakh says, you shall die, instead of dying, you shall die, trippe stuff? That tree of knowledge of good and bad is Satan's in; did Yahweh set Satan up, or was Yahweh being fair to Satan; after all, no one can point their finger at Yahweh and say that Yahweh was unfair to Satan?

John 16:18-33 I left out the last part of verse 27, and left out verse 28; Trinity? I left out verse 30, more Trinity? And they said, “What is this little while, of which he speaks? We know not what he talks about?” And Yeshua knew, that they desired to ask him; and he said to them, “Are you debating with each other, of what I said to you, a little while, and you will not see me, and again a little while, and you will see me? Truly I say to you, that you will weep and lament; and the world will rejoice, while to you will be sorrow; but your sorrow will be turned to joy. A woman, in bringing forth, has sorrow, for the day of her travail has come; but when she has brought forth a son, she remembers not her anguish, because of the joy that a male is born into the world. You also now have sorrow; but I will see you again, and your heart will rejoice, and no one will deprive you of your joy; and in that day you will ask me nothing. Truly I say to you, that whatsoever you shall ask of my Father in my name, he will give to you. Hitherto you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. These things have I spoken to you in allegories; but the hour will come, when I shall not speak to you in allegories, but I will speak to you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in my name; and I do not say to you, that I will pray to the Father for you; for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me.” His disciples say to him, “Lo, now you speak plainly, and you utter no allegory.” Yeshua said to them, “Do you believe? Behold, the hour comes, and has now come, when you will be dispersed, each to his place; and you will leave me alone; but I am not alone, for the Father is with me. These things have I said to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you will have trouble; but, take courage, I have vanquished the world.” Chapter 17 of John? After this prayer, they are going to cross over the brook Kidron, the Trinity has added a lot junk in this prayer? Thomas, please try to respect the fact that I am trying to learn? A cool person in the Cafe shared something with me in this thread, so I'm trying to reason what that person shared with me the best I can, maybe these reasonings are wrong, maybe their close? This thread has moved beyond cats and cheese?

I wonder if Yahweh's Kavod was there, I think would have been their? The attitude of these people is something else, what a scary sight it would have been to have seen these people coming across that Jordan?

Thanks for the invite, but it is my dream to make the Way, rewrite their books. With the help of a lot people, I been laying out some sold reasonings of word, I think it would be dishonest on my part to take these reasonings some place else? Maybe these reasonings don't have a leg to stand on, but maybe they do; but Christine Hayes is the Way's wake up call, if they dare rewrite their books, what they need has already been reasoned out in the Cafe? If you know anyone researching the word on them other forums, invite them here to help us reason the word, thanks.

Good point, I thought I heard that flood stage thing in a teaching one day, was it at flood stage? Joshua 5:10, they kept the passover, it could have been running a little faster then usual; passover is in the spring, winter snow melt, just thought I heard something in a teaching, could be wrong?

Four or so billion years after the earth has been in the second heaven, Yahweh all of a sudden plants a garden on the earth, just like the garden Yahweh planted upon the earth, while the earth was in the first heaven. The only difference between these two gardens are; in the first garden planted, their were stones of fire, from which Lucifer while wearing a vest like thing made of every precise stone, would carry Yahweh around the garden, because Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub that Covers. In the second garden planted, their was growing in the midst of the garden, the tree of life; but next to the tree of life, their was growing a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Lucifer now known as Satan, if Satan can get Adam and Eve to eat off that tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Satan can prevent Adam and Eve’s offspring, the opportunity to eat off the tree of life? Yet, in the second garden, Yahweh is walking around, like Yahweh’s glory will not kill Adam and Eve, something has to be protecting Adam and Eve from Yahweh’s glory? Maybe Yahweh used a Kavod like thing in that second garden; with a Kavod like thing, Yahweh could live in the garden with Adam and Eve, without killing them with his glory? I heard it taught that spirit was on Adam and Eve, what good would it do them to have Yahweh’s body parts on them, Yahweh’s body is spirit? Adam and Eve didn’t eat off that tree of life, the life that tree produces cannot die? A Kavod like thing, would give Yahweh the freedom to walk around the garden. From the time Yahweh enclosed this earth in a blackness of something, up to the planting of that second garden, Satan and his one-third of the angles that wanted to be with Satan, what a crazy ride they have been on; for billions of years, Satan and his clan have been in a state of confusion, clueless to what Yahweh was doing? When Satan saw Yahweh plant that second garden, Satan knew what this garden was, because Satan destroyed the first garden Yahweh planted, that was just like it? Interesting how Satan was lurking around that garden as some animal or something, trying to overhear everything Yahweh is talking about with Adam, before Eve was brought into existence, from Adam’s rib? Satan truly was the first lurker?

I not really hacking on the greek manuscripts, maybe the Romans gave the greeks a bad name; could they have twisted the greek, to prove their Creed? Maybe their were seventy or so Woodrow Wilsons gathered, inorder to write that Septuagint? Wisdom is what should be used, not logos!

It seems that the Israelites that crossed the Jordan, had a different attitude then their parents? For the last 40 years these Israelites getting ready to cross the Jorden watched their parents die, without mercy, their bones left in the wilderness where they dropped? The attitude of Joshua's believing, that seems to be symbolic to something? The Jordan just did not open up for those Israelites, they had to put their foot into the Jordan at flood stage first, then they crossed. Maybe Martindale should have taught about ones attitude towards putting ones foot into the Jordan, in order to cross? What VeePee and the Way have done to people through the years with the controle of renewed mind, seems something is creepy about their teachings of renewed mind?