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Story book NT believers obviously still quibble amongst themselves about a Sabbath Day, but the story book Paul says it doesn't matter what Day or if any day at all - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [ days ] (Col. 2:16) KJV story book

Call me what you will deary! I accept you have nothing of value to contribute apart from your illegitimate insults. My classes have always been Free to attend and participate and no donations ever asked for nor accepted. I will however accept your apology for your slander and ineptitude, because my standards are so much higher than yours deary and I do forgive stupidity and slander like yours! Your parents should have been attending my classes or you are embarassing them by your stupidity and slanderous accusations. Accurate, benevolent, legitimate, successful at decimating false religions, yes! I'm all those things and more; that you only dream of attaining deary! (My modesty forbids me to say more.) Your name calling only enforces your ineptitude deary! If you wish to continue to call me names then " Successful ' False ' Religion Buster " best describes me and my 50 year record, next time you choose to shoot your mouth off, for that is the reality. Better luck next time deary!

What alleged evidence is available legitimately showing Paul is not merely just another mythical biblical story book character and that what is said to have been observed and recorded is true?

But I DO believe in an Intelligent Designer (God for want of a better word) however it is unworthy of my worship and the insulting and demeaning pathetic responses I receive here and elsewhere only demonstrates the fraudulent claims of the self acclaimed story book Jesus believers. i.e. " Do they manifest the attributes of a genuine story book Jesus believer or legitimately display alleged God fearing attributes and manifestations? " Absolutely NOT and unlike me who has no need of them, instead they sling pathetic insults, name calling, etc. etc. all in lieu of a shred of legitimacy for their various lost causes. In fact they also do so because they are envious of me that I display the highest qualities and standards of legitimacy for my successful cause that they only dream of ever approaching let alone ever attaining. My classes were full of those once like they are currently so I stick to what continues to successfully work for me and they can never claim they weren't shown ' The story book Truths '. Let your insults continue as you will, for I accept that is all you have to offer for your lost cause. LOL!

You should be aware that the Jews back then probably mainly spoke Hebrew and the KJV translators spoke Hebrew and knew what it meant when they translated it into the English ' perfect '. The KJV also indicates in parenthesis that perfect also means ' upright '. Are you trying to tell us that the story book Jesus wasn't ' upright? ' Hec, the earliest Jews don't even believe the Bible is legitimate apart from the first 5 books so you are trying to lecture others about a book you don't fully believe either? There are so many branches of Judaism, which branch are you currently in and what made you reject formal / strict Judaism? So your not going to challenge that site. Thought as much. LOL! Traditions and multiple often opposing Jewish opinions are more man made clap-trap you want to cling to! Abigail picks from a myriad of Jewish boxes full of man made traditions of what suits her to believe. LOL! Part 1

What's allegedly wrong with it and how could it be better according to your pretend story book Jesus believing estimation? Better luck next time deary. LOL!

My 50 years personal experience with pathetic responses such as yours that typically do anything but provide the legitimate evidence of a genuine story book Jesus believer. Better luck next time deary!

I accept your apology for not reading fully what I wrote. That explains why you make mistakes in your understandings by not taking in to consideration everything that is written. The KJV story book quotes Noah as being perfect. Do you want to deny that also? These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. { perfect : or, upright} (Gen. 6:9) KJV story book, legitimately deny it if you can? (your alleged evidence is?) Are you then claiming the site - http://whatjewsbelieve.org/ is misrepresenting Jews? Perhaps you could contact them and show them why and get back to us with your evidence and their responses? My personal email is: franjac1@westnet.com.au when you think you have the legitimate evidence to support your claims against them. Oh! so you wash your hands of the story book Jews having the story book Jesus crucified, I knew the bible was a lie, the text false and this Jesus never existed. Thanks for confirming that. I antagonise and insult no one, they do it to themselves by making outrageous claims they can not legitimately substantiate. I simply provide the facts as they shoot themselves down and embarrass themselves with it. Looks like the story book has insulted your Jewish forefathers then e.g. - Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him , saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:31-33) KJV story book (My Bold) I'll also be most pleased for you to confirm again the bible tells repeated lies including exposing your Jewish religion as a vicious and violent one that stoned people to death for criticising or disagreeing with its beliefs? Allegedly such as? Temporary tangents often occurs in debate, however all discussions are related to the story book tales and are pertinent. My premiss is accurate even by the very fact that not a single so called christian outside the story book has ever legitimately obeyed nor manifested the story book promises to a genuine story book Jesus believer. Mind you I have only been personally searching for 50 years. LOL! Better luck next time deary!

Read your self contradicting story book - These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. {perfect : or, upright}(Gen. 6;9) KJV self contradicting story book a) Noah was apparently capable. Do you think he was also God dressed up like story book Jesus to only look like a man? b) The story book Jesus was a fraud - The earliest Orthodox Jews (Pharisees & Sadducees) recognised from their TORAH (First 5 books of the bible), the fraudulent claims of this biblical Jesus. The Christian understanding is that the messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin. But we are taught in this proven self contradicting bible that no one can die for the sins of another. - In Deuteronomy 24:16 (KJV) it specifically says this: The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 1.) cf. Fathers must not be put to death for what their children24 do, nor children for what their fathers do; each must be put to death for his own sin. (Deut. 24:16) NET (See also: post2966264 (Post#1586, story book contradictions Deut. 24:16 Oops! Ex. 20: 5. LOL!)) This was later confirmed by - Ezekiel 18:20 RSV "THE SON SHALL NOT SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER. NOR THE FATHER SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." Ezekiel 18:20 also "pulls the rug out from under" Christianity's main premise, that all generations of mankind are burdened with sin and death stemming from Adam's act of disobedience. Only Christ's redeeming shed blood can end this never-ending cycle of sin and death. Quite clearly Ezekiel refutes this notion. "The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father." (Online Source: http://www.bibleorigins.net/MoabiteBloodMessiah.html) More so - Jews correctly also, do not believe in original sin. IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin simply states that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. Every human being dies because Adam and Eve committed a sin, and for their sin, all humans are punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them IMmortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become IMmortal, then they were created mortal to begin with. They did not bring Death into the world, and we don't die because they sinned. As a matter of Biblical fact, the answer to Question One shows that one person cannot die as the punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been since from the moment the first human beings were created. That is why God told the animals, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. God also told the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 5.) i) I have successfully achieved exposing you people pretending to be story book christians as absolute frauds and only dishonestly self appointed christians and your legitimate evidence that the story book is the words of a God given to man remains a constant zero. ii) That those claiming to be genuine christians all dismiss the attributes and manifestations required of a genuine story book Jesus believer and all you offer instead is pathetic excuses and sarcasm for your collective and individual failures. Just like your excuses for not obeying Matt. 19:21. You people are currently a sick dishonest joke! I have more respect for most atheists and non-believers, for many have already literally sacrificed their lives on the battle-field for their countrymen (religious or not) without demanding or expecting any divine rewards unlike self appointed christians and the story book Jesus that selfishly sacrificed itself only temporarily and only on the expectation of divine rewards. My 50 year tally remains unbroken so far - Pretend genuine christians with pathetic excuses for their failures = 100% Genuine story book christians = 0

They are one and the same and worthy of condemnation! Better luck on another Topic!

Hello GarthP2000, You did well to walk away and as we have seen here and I have experienced for 50 years elsewhere, not a single genuine christian exists outside of their story book. Cheers!

There is no such a thing as a genuine Christian outside of the story book of fantasy and your absolute failures to obey Matt. 19:21 is just one of the many proofs that easily prove it. May be take up Mormanism or Buddhism or tennis,

I form the light, and . . . . create evil : I the LORD do all these [things]. (Isaiah 45:7) KJV story book So your naughty story book God is responsible and NOT your alleged naughty Satan LOL! :o

In my never ending quest for a genuine story book acclaimed christian, I try to give every opportunity for one to step forward and break my current 50 year tally of - Pretend christians with pitiful and pathetic excuses for their failure = 100% Genuine christians that obey their story book Jesus and also manifest the story book promises already given to any such genuine believer = 0. So as a further part of that survey, would any so called christian that has strictly obeyed their alleged story book master and done as it commanded, please step forward (with your proofs)? - Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give the money25 to the poor, and you will have treasure26 in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matt. 19:21) NET story book (My bold) So far, the tally from my requests at other forums remains at: genuine christians = 0 and christian frauds with pathetic and pitiful excuses for their disobedience and failure to obey their alleged master = 100% Over to you. LOL!

My 100% respect for all the acclaimed story book alleged Godly attributes. I freely acknowledge the wonders of creation, however I am a mere human being and those things are wondrous to me because I don't have that ability. However they are NOT wondrous to an Intelligent supreme designer, they are just unique innate attributes. The fundamental problem for " God is a God of Love ' believers, is that the evidence available refutes that hypothesis and this Thread itself also demonstrates that ' when asked ' those who claim their God is a God of Love unambigiously FAIL to legitimately demonstrate that. As with the recent Haiti disaster and subsequent events, in themselves alone, belies the claims that this ' ID / God ' is a God of Love ' but rather exposes it as a monster unworthy of my worship / total respect. The trinitarian story book hypocrytical monster of a God is even less worthy of my worship / respect.