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Mike, I would hope that after this time and my posts that you would understand that I don't play games. But, I also don't believe what you believe as I have stated. I think you are very misguided. But I won't call names or play games because that is not what I'm about. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Amen and Amen!!! I agree totally. Good post!!!! If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Happy Birthday Lindy, Hope your birthday was the greatest!!!! If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

mike says, 'No, that’s NOT what I was saying. I meant that if a child (or if a childish adult grad) attempts to operate the law of believing willy nilly based on a mere desire, and not based on a promise of God, it ain’t gonna work! Please go back and read that post of mine and yours to see this.' I'm pretty sure I remember hearing in the pfal class and yourself that this principal is suppose to work for the saint and the sinner alike. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Ralph, I hope you have a great birthday where ever you are!!!! If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Sorry mike, I don't read the kjv version so I don't get that from there. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

The ideas and beliefs that you have mike is all about me. Me and what am I going to get from God. I believe positively and I have MY needs and wants parallel. I do it all. It is because of MY believing that anything comes to pass because I did it. Your not allowing God into your life. Its like a spoiled child demanding of God. God wants to have a relationship with us. He wants us to be his child and friend. Do we demand of our parents and friends? Oh I see something and we go and demand it because we believe its our right? No. It doesn't sound like a good relationship to me. By us demanding and doing what we feel is right trying to attain 'all 9 all the time' we end up missing the whole picture of what God and ourselves are all about. By mastering what vpw wrote misses the whole boat on being in a family of believers and experiencing the love that we all have to offer for each other. You or I are not all powerful than another believer. Because you believe what you believe does not mean that you are The one that has all the answers. In a family we all have something to contribute. We all can learn from each other. We don't have to have ourselves all puffed up in our thinking. God wants us to meek in our lives. How are we going to learn anything if we are not meek? We can learn from God and His family not only by studying but by doing and being with His family. By you not believing that anyone has anything to offer or contribute to this is by yourself making a statement that we can only learn from you because you are mastering PFAL. You spend all these hours putting together the works of vpw. What about the works of Jesus Christ? I would rather learn of His works than someone like vpw. That is what is missing from all of this. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Mike, no it is not tvt. How things are written and how vpw carried them out are how you get the control. You don't go find out what the needs are. You live and love God and His people and when there are needs from the believer they will have love, trust, and respect and they will come to you. Its a matter of their will not yours as a leader to go find everything. This is where it is wrong. If I need prayer or help I will ask for it. I don't want anyone coming to me as 'spiritual' and telling me what I need. About a child's believing. Are you telling me that they have to be an adult to have the law of believing? At what age does that start? So we teach our children your principles but tell them oh but since your a kid it doesn't start until your an adult? And where in your bible does it say that? Does that mean that Jesus wasn't able to walk on your Word until he was considered an adult? Which during that time would have been when he was 30 years old? In the class vpw himself talks about believing equal receiving and uses the example of red drapes. So in his own usages of the five senses of beleiving equals receiving you are saying this is false. So what you are doing is contridicting what you yourself believe. So about the spirits thing. Ok so your not saying we are possessed persay but your saying that we have a spirit of oppression or spirits hanging around us to make us not listen to you. What your saying is some kind of spirit is doing this to us. I really believed that crap for many years, I don't need to believe it anymore. As I said before I sure wouldn't want to live in your shoes. Always trying to achieve something in your life as in your mastering and never getting there because it is unattainable. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

this I find interesting, krys....isn't it interesting how we can witness the same thing but see different sides of it? I do anyways. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

mike, sounds like a lot of controlling of others to me...thank God I don't have to believe that crap anymore. Thanks for sharing it...it makes me very thankful. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

I love you excie!!! Mini me If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Mike, I don't see anyone calling you names here. We are just disagreeing with what your saying and letting you know that your ideas are pretty big ones. It is your choice of course to believe what you want. I don't think anyone has been rude to you lately. LOL about the spirits. I guess we are possessed for disagreeing with you...huh? My motive for posting is trying to get you to understand where a lot of us are coming from. It seems to be a lost cause though. But then so is yours. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

So not to fight with you krys but you are saying that zix is the innocent in all this and rocky is the enemy? I'm sorry just trying to figure out your analogy. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Welcome home, suz...glad to see you my friend!!! I guess we are taking amtrak to everett in july and doing a round trip. We then will rent a car to do all our travels around there. Would love for you, geo, bob and myself to do a little sight seeing if you want to. Or leave the guys together and you and I go traipsing around...hey that sounds more like it.... There are a few people I would love to go see if they don't come for the weekend at your place. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

I don't think I really need to answer that mike since others gave the answer so perfectly. Your life of more abundant living is not my kind. Its a pretty lonely life if you ask me. I personally enjoy my personal relationship with God. I have gotten to get to know Him on a more trusting and open relationship. I've learned not to demand from God and use all these 'theories' on believing equals receiving sort of thing. But to have a friendship and love going on with Him. It sure makes the relationship with Him and I on a more higher plane. It sort of reminds me of a spoiled child in a grocery store who is demanding of candy. What does the parent do when that child is so demanding? Well, if she wants to spoil him/her and make the child rotten she will each time give what he wants. I'm sure that child probably is believing that the parent is going to give that child what he wants. Is his needs and wants parallel? I'm sure he believes it is from a childish perspective. Another thing is if a child is afraid of the boogie man does that mean that if he believes that there is one actually there that something will happen to him? Obviously, your not a parent and believe what vpw says on who killed that little child. It is very natural for us as parents to worry and have fear for our children. If we didn't have that natural ability built in us we would allow our children to do anything believing that nothing could happen to them. As a parent this is very very obvious that it is not true what vpw said. You want to live in your world of reality of grandois thinking believing you are the only one who has answers and live that life of your more abundant living and trying to attain all 9 all the time then that is your choice. Just be careful when you try to walk through the door that your head doesn't get stuck. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

LOL I'm getting to old to worry about ovulation....hehe If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Zixar, We all may have come to excie's defense but did anyone demand of you to apologize to her? There is the difference. I can see both of your sides. Both of you are right and both of you are dead wrong. ITs just too bad that you all have to bring others into the mud of it. I think I've said this to you before zix, I really like both you and rocky as far as posts go. I really don't know either of you but I have gotten to know rocky a little bit more through chat. He seems like a very nice and compassionate guy. Sometimes his posts don't convey that. Which is too bad. But I think its his style of writing. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

I have to also disagree with zixar on this. I worked in nursing homes for many years and have to say that we dreaded full moons. Even the most tame of residents became wild. On those nights I've been attacked physically. They simply go wild. And don't even dare go into the alzheimers units. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Have you ever heard of grandoise thinking? If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Why tom we are number one of course!!!! If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Well, I got a call around noon from work saying the roads were clear and that I had to go in. Needless to say I went in and sure enough the roads were cleared. And I had so many plans...lol Tonight we are in the middle of another snowstorm. If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Pirate, I used to live in south carolina and loved it. One time I had a date I will never ever forget. This guy took me up to north carolina up in the mountains in the fall time. Being from the pacific northwest I had never really seen fall time. I was in awe. All the colors was fantastic!!!!!!! Butch if you are still around and come to gs please remember this was the best date a girl could ever have had!!!!! Its in my memories forever!!!!!! If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Oh kit that made my day...thanks....lmao If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Bowtwi and WG, I'm just spitting with jealousy!!!! LOL However, in the summertime with all your bugs I won't be while I get eaten up with mosquitos. What fun the weather is in different parts of the country. I miss my homeland!!!! If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe

Good morning, everyone. Well here in minnesota we are having a huge big snow storm. I got ready for work and went to go to my car and it had about 4 to 6 inches already outside. Being determined to go to work I went to set out anyways and couldn't even see the road. Whiteouts. I ended up turning back and now have a snow day off. How is the weather in your neck of the woods? If you do not tell the truth about yourself you can not tell it about other people. virginia woolfe