soul searcher

I was going to post a good "Sunday morning song" but the heck with it... Geisha, try cranking this one up in the minivan but be careful -- it causes your right foot to get heavier and heavier on that accelerator pedal.

mstar, that was funny. You just convinced me that I have to see that movie. * * * Anyone who likes The Rolling Stones' "Brown Sugar" will appreciate this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrmMad3SD0

LOL Chet Atkins rules. His guitar playing is impeccable. He was a giant of country music.

Waysider, you got me in a Beatles kind of mood. I'm sure this song has been posted numerous times before... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2d2llB4oIQ

Waysider, great song... I heard somewhere that Paul McCartney was very displeased with Phil Spector's production of it on the "Let it Be" album, mostly because of the added strings. He apparently wanted it to sound more like this (that's Billy Preston helping out on keyboards):

Operant conditioning is the use of rewards and punishments to modify behavior. Simple example: if you tell your dog to sit, and he sits, and then you give him a biscuit -- that's operant conditioning using positive reinforcement. If your child comes home with failing grades on his report card and you withold priveleges as a result -- that's operant conditioning using negative reinforcement (the withholding a positive reinforcer). If you come home from work and your dog has chewed up your $100 shoes and you whack him (gently) wih a rolled up-newspaper - that's operant conditioning using punishment. Classical conditioning is a different type of behavior modification that uses the association (spatial or temporal) of a stimulus with a response to modify beavior. It was originally documented by the Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov, who noticed that his dogs would begin to salivate without actually giving them food by simply presenting another stimulus repeatedly together with the food. He would sound a bell (I think) at mealtime and eventually the dogs would salivate every time they heard the bell, whether it was actually mealtime or not. Hope that helps.

That's quite a story, man. I hope things got better for you over time. So this Geer paper was the "beginning of the end" for you? Was there a specific event or realization that destroyed your credibility in the leadership and drove you out?

To various stimuli, yes. You got it. So do I and scores of other psychologists. But, regardless of what you think of B.F. Skinner, operant conditioning (together with cognitive therapy) has been shown, both experimentally and in practice, to be the most effective method of learning new behaviors and extiguishing others.

It sure does. Also note that the covert administration of a pharmacologic substance to an unsuspecting individual (i.e., "slipping someone a mickey") amounts to assault and battery in most jurisdictions. The stories have been posted in this forum in first person narrative. Make of them what you will.

If you ask a psychologist from the "radical behaviorist" school the answer is no: we are basically just pigeons in a Skinner box. Thought, conscious or unconscious, plays a very small role in behavior.

Seems to me that this hairball is gonna be doing laps in that lake of fire on Judgement Day right behind the other cockroach.

Just to interject (and let me say first that I don't know any facts except what I've read on this forum but)... It is my understanding that VPW drugged women to get them to sleep with him. That's not consent, that's rape. Rape doesn't make him a "loving spititual father." It makes him a piece-of-.... scumbag. Did his wife know that he drugged and raped women? (That was a rhetorical question. It don't matter to me none.) Carry on. :)

They ain't no real church, they're a hate group. When they came to my town to spew their hatred, we ignored them. The high school at which they had planned to protest closed for the day so as to not give them any attention. Read, if you want to: http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/authorities-eye-kansas-hate-group-s-visit-to-li-1.1465453

Do the bibles come with study guides, interlinears and concordances? (Just kidding! It was a joke.) :)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the James verse is saying that "lusts", not love, give birth to death. Love doesn't give birth to death. Your observation seems to be equating love with lust.

Regarding the OP... According to answers.com, eisegesis is "an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text." I certainly don't want that. So then, when would eisegesis ever be ever be a good thing, except perhaps when reading a fictional short story, novel or poem? And even then...

...Socratic discourse... I think that means having a conversation. LOL

I actually told you something you didn't know? How cool! :B) My friend worked in that green room herself a few times. She said that she, personally, was never asked to service LCM but supposedly it was common practice. Not to make light of this whole thing but I'm still thinking: for "TWI the Movie"...Al Pacino in "The Devil's Advocate." He's evil incarnate. Pull up a clip on YouTube -- it's pretty entertaining.

Well put, skyrider.

excathedra, your story is very disturbing. I can only hope that you've somehow come to terms with it and found a way to be happy.

I have to tell you that this story, like others I've read here, are apalling. They sound like gothic horror movies. For whatever it's worth, my ex-Way friend never told me about any of these sex stories, nor of VPW's malfeasence. But she knew I'd eventually find out on my own. It's interesting that she still considers VPW a "great man who let his d*ck get in the way" (her words). Needless to say I completely disagree with her on that. My friend seems to be in denial that these leaders were sexual predators. She never even told me about GSC. It was only after I told her the stories I read here that she told me she knew about some of them. She then told me that her friend had an affair with LCM "for years". She also told me that it was certain people's job to find a female to give oral sex to LCM before he gave big presentations. Very nice. Previously my friend had sent me PDF files of some of VPW's books, and I was fully intending to read them -- until I read this forum. When I read the stories here I did a "shift-delete" on everything she had sent me (so that a copy wouldn't be retained in my recycle bin). Nothing he's written, nor any doctrine unique to, or associated with TWI could ever hold any value for me. Whatever...she does say that she's very embarrased at having been associated with TWI -- she admits that it's a cult that had rotten, abusive leadership. Regardless, she holds fast to the doctrine. I suppose all of you know some people like that.

If you're still driving, here's my list of the best driving songs ever: 1. Allman Brothers Band – Jessica 2. Jeff Beck – Freeway Jam 3. Doobie Brothers – China Grove 4. Deep Purple – Highway Star 5. Bruce Springsteen – Rosalita (Come out Tonight) 6. Marshall Tucker Band – 24 Hours At a Time 7. Steely Dan – Reelin' in the Years 8. John Cougar Mellencamp – Authority Song 9. The Who – Baba O'Reilly 10. ZZ Top – Tush Other good ones (in alphabetical order): Beatles – Back In the U.S.S.R. Bob Seger – Roll Me Away Cream – Crossroads Doors – Roadhouse Blues Eagles – Already Gone Eagles – Take It Easy Jackson Browne – Running on Empty Jimi Hendrix – Fire Joe Jackson – I'm The Man Katrina & The Waves – Walking On Sunshine Led Zeppelin – Rock and Roll Lynyrd Skynyrd – I Know a Little Lynyrd Skynyrd – You Got That Right Marshall Tucker Band – Another Cruel Love Marshall Tucker Band – This Ol' Cowboy New Riders of the Purple Sage – Glendale Train Pure Praire League – Two Lane Highway REO Speedwagon – Roll With the Changes Smashing Pumpkins – 1979

I have to agree. That was great. It sounds like that was the version that Derek and the Dominoes were covering.

Waysider, you were probably going to post this, so I'll save you the trouble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiUWfhZtOQ0

Probably not, they were all out of their minds on heroin, cocaine and liquor. Postscipt: Clapton was never the same guitarist when he got off herion. His best work was between 1965 (Yardbirds) and 1971 (Layla). That's one fan's opinion.