OldSkool

Yeah...ditto...patent bullshonta. They are not interested in changing anything and have codified their errors as above reproach with the "proven ministry research" line that rosalie floated around when I was there. If it's proven ministry research it is above reproach. I think you have an interesting point. You had me thinking back to my early days of chasing my fellowship coordinator around like he was some spiritual giant. Most TWI practices, the practice is taught first and then they throw some verses and some bs explanation to make it fit. Ive really seen that move on steroids when the the directors want to ressert control over an area of concern. They make a few statements, insert open ended scipture quotes that are out of context but can be used as a bat to push people into the practice they want to reassert. Don't feel bad at all on that one. I was an occult practioner for around 8 years up until I met up with TWI. I then saw the same occult practices in the law of believing and made myself accept it with some BS excuses about da debil. I shoulda ran for the exits as soon as I noticed. Literally though, in most occult disciplines ( was involved in 4 over 8 years) involve concentrating on what you want to happen until it does. They employ charms, amulets, talismans, etc...now most occult disciplines believe that there is inherit power in these objects one of the main reasons they use them is to focus mental concentration. When I was really into voodoo I made a charm for generating income. I kept it in my wallet so everytime I opened my wallet I would be reminded to visualize money coming into my wallet. Sound familiar?

I really nervous at how things are stacking up here....lol

d@mn you!!! lmao...you already know I was on the way when I read that feedback line...not very punny....lol

I said they were parallells. Not that there was a connection with either craig or wierwille. You introduced this gurdoff guy so show me where he was an influence of vpw. I showed that much with the people I listed. troll-shonta-malakasetay

Ya...you said all of this already....remember the parallels between gurdjieff and wierwille? Gurdjieff’s personal sex life appears from all accounts to be complex and sometimes contradictory, with varied expressions throughout his life. At times he was celibate, at other periods highly sexually charged. He fathered numerous children out of wedlock, including many with his own female disciples. Critics have roundly condemned Gurdjieff’s sexual behaviour as irresponsible and contrary to the actions of an authentic spiritual teacher. But teachers in many other spiritual traditions have engaged in exactly the same kind of sexual behaviour.2 The notion that spiritual masters must always be celibate and beyond the “base desires of earthly sexuality” is clearly an idealized myth and not congruent with reality. However, the issue of a sexual relationship between a spiritual teacher and his or her student(s) raises a number of important ethical questions: Is a sexual relationship between a teacher and student harmful or beneficial from a spiritual perspective? Is there an imbalance of power between teacher and student that compromises the authentic expression of a loving relationship between two equal partners? Is it possible to separate an intimate sexual relationship from an objective impersonal transmission of spiritual knowledge?

I was a rebel without a clue...lol

Dude....I gave 0 effs about their rules. My computer had all sorts of stuff on it. I couldn't take it to study hall but otherwise it was on and cracking...as they say...lol. Let's see...OldSkool's computer checklist: - Music Library - check - e-Book collection - check - Bible software - check - Ripped DVD collection - check We didn't have internet at Gunnison back then but I would goto the library at Western CO University and unplug a cat5 cable from one of the work stations and get my fresh downloads as I could...I was not a rule follower. Never went by that $30 month crap either. I had a host of credit cards, paid them via the way credit union, and used to wish somebody would say something. If I found out they were snooping in my cradit union account we were headed straight to court. And I know they used to do that dang because that sort of thing happened to my former wife back in way corps 23.

Trello is pretty sweet. Thanks for the referral, just set up an account and working on my first board. Cool. Have any of you guys tried Logos? I use Arch Linux and was going to set it up on a virtual machine to see if I like it or not...but figured I would see if anyone uses it. https://www.logos.com/ Man - I used Bibleworks forever and a day. Great program. It was extremely useful in-residence, really made study projects way more effecient with all the resources it has.

Yes!! Appearantly nepotism is still the flavor of the day around that lil ole cornfield cult.

Were still here....although TWI finally figured out how to place their site better in search results...lol...used to be that GSC would come up first when one googled the way international...

That rocking the boat element of his fake persona is used to draw parallels to wierwille and Martin Luther and other big names in Christendom. Also ties back to the idea that our father in the word took on the religous establishment....breaking off from the churches oversight and then drawing school of Tyrannus comparisons from Acts.

Athletes of the Spirit was required watching when i was chasing classes so I could go into the way corps. I was always intrigued by the unabashed corniness of men in tights meets dancing with the spirits in a sort of competition type thing. I still think it's comical that LCM felt inspired by Travolta...hey at least Travolta has the resources to keep his personal air plane...lol I need to search around a little, but to me it's interesting that the way tries to link the entire concept (even though blantantly lifted as you pointed out) back to wierwilles crazy notion of athletes of the spirit from Ephesians 6. I seem to remember Penworks spilling the beans on how wierwille mashed his unscriptural POV into things and called it research. The way international is embarrased by athletes of the spirit and it's been memory holed, same with The way living in love, et al. Along the lines of occultic influences though, it's intersting to me how fascinated the way international is with the adversary...I mean they elevate all the things the devil can do and then place silly limitations on God that aren't true in the least. Then they had us plauing spiritual football or whatever in the spiritual competition....yeah... Ahh...the junk tables at the advanced class (AC). That was a red flag to me that I rationalized away. There were all those books on the occult that they put on display for people to peruse on break during the AC. I used to have some of the books. Students were alway firmly warned to stay away from reading those books on our own...they were too dangerous and wierwille had a special ministry where God brought him all those books so he could read them and teach us....kinda like Frodo was a ring bearer and the only one who could take the ring to mount doom....or whatever....I digress once again...lmao Ill bet a dollar to a dime we were warned not to read those books because wierwille lifted material for the advanced class' devil spirit categories and other junk from those books and they didn't want people to figure it out. Kinda just took what tickled his ears and eyeballs.

Yeah...ditto on BibleGateway/Hub...great websites for sure. Kindle is awesome as well. I keep a subscription with them. I just mean maybe digital isnt the best thing in case of a power outage or whatever could come along and interrupt digital...but overall I prefer digital cause of search features, cross references and such. Im not sure one is better, think its more of a preference thing. It could be the rebel in me too because all through my corps training it was always some BS about books being superioir...that was a Rosalie thing though...she actually told the corps during a corps meeting one fine morning that there was something special about the connection between the brain, hand, pen, and paper....she never said what was special about it so I guess you could go whichever way in terms of which definition of special we are using....lol

I gotta say, that does seem a lot more effecient...lmao

It's not really a good thing, but Im almost completely digital. I am a serious computer nerd and can find most things online digitially or ebay.

I took all 3000 books in my library to the city dump....you know how long that took on the bus?

lmao! I used to be so proud of my Cambridge Wide Margin Edition that I had made so many notes in that the notes themselves were mostly unreadeable. I recently purchased a couple Bibles...I promise you they will not have one mark in them made by me.

But it's willful ignorance. He says he has a lack of knowledge but won't look at the knowledge that would help him understand fully just who and what victor paul wierwille truly was. He willfully remains ignorant that the doctrines he considers God breathed (PFAL, et. al.) are loaded with occultism.

Yeah....glaringly obvious personal reasons... Granted, upon further investigation you bring up a very interesting parrallell between wierwille and Gurdjieff: http://tonylutz.com/index.php/esoterica/fourth-way/critical-appraisal/item/184-gurdjieff-sexual-beliefs-and-practices Gurdjieff’s personal sex life appears from all accounts to be complex and sometimes contradictory, with varied expressions throughout his life. At times he was celibate, at other periods highly sexually charged. He fathered numerous children out of wedlock, including many with his own female disciples. Critics have roundly condemned Gurdjieff’s sexual behaviour as irresponsible and contrary to the actions of an authentic spiritual teacher. But teachers in many other spiritual traditions have engaged in exactly the same kind of sexual behaviour.2 The notion that spiritual masters must always be celibate and beyond the “base desires of earthly sexuality” is clearly an idealized myth and not congruent with reality. However, the issue of a sexual relationship between a spiritual teacher and his or her student(s) raises a number of important ethical questions: Is a sexual relationship between a teacher and student harmful or beneficial from a spiritual perspective? Is there an imbalance of power between teacher and student that compromises the authentic expression of a loving relationship between two equal partners? Is it possible to separate an intimate sexual relationship from an objective impersonal transmission of spiritual knowledge?

I don't blame you. Your lack of knowledge is glaring and your personal reasons are based in cognitive dissonance. Your idol is under attack...best step aside.

I feel one of the key traits from the occult that wierwille brought into his theology was a very, cold, impersonal representation of God. Check the language wierwille uses over and over again. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/appropriate Scripture does not support this attitude of grabbing the things of God...like a greedy lil pig. Philippians 2:6-8 Amplified Bible (AMP) who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]. After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross. One of the main common denominators that occultism brings to Christianity is it takes the true nature of Christitanity, which is relational, and makes it all very impersonal. The lies stack up quiclly from there. Instead of God being our Father and us his children God becomes a passive observer who has given it all to the ones with the most believing. Lies. Christianity is relationship based. God isn't a spiritual keg that we are to tap into. He is our loving heavenly Father who freely gives all things to his children. The power of God flows from the love of God which is always fellowship based. Jesus Chrsit himself is held up as an example in his exalted state. He bacame exalted by becoming a servant. Not appropriting, or grabbing anything.

Granted, upon further investigation you bring up a very interesting parrallell between wierwille and Gurdjieff: http://tonylutz.com/index.php/esoterica/fourth-way/critical-appraisal/item/184-gurdjieff-sexual-beliefs-and-practices Gurdjieff’s personal sex life appears from all accounts to be complex and sometimes contradictory, with varied expressions throughout his life. At times he was celibate, at other periods highly sexually charged. He fathered numerous children out of wedlock, including many with his own female disciples. Critics have roundly condemned Gurdjieff’s sexual behaviour as irresponsible and contrary to the actions of an authentic spiritual teacher. But teachers in many other spiritual traditions have engaged in exactly the same kind of sexual behaviour.2 The notion that spiritual masters must always be celibate and beyond the “base desires of earthly sexuality” is clearly an idealized myth and not congruent with reality. However, the issue of a sexual relationship between a spiritual teacher and his or her student(s) raises a number of important ethical questions: Is a sexual relationship between a teacher and student harmful or beneficial from a spiritual perspective? Is there an imbalance of power between teacher and student that compromises the authentic expression of a loving relationship between two equal partners? Is it possible to separate an intimate sexual relationship from an objective impersonal transmission of spiritual knowledge?

Brother, this topic is about victor paul wierwilles doctrinal sources, and how they influenced him to the point of being a blind leader leading people into Christian witchcraft. His doctrines are polluted - including but not limited to PFLAP. If you wanna include Gurdjieff, then show his doctrinal incluences. Cause whatever you think happened with the corps program, craig, Gurdjieff and how many lawn geese are actually in New Knoxville are

Yeah baby...spayshul revelation that's blaze orange...u can read it while hunting and be safe from friendly fire

YW, sir. Just glad I can be of service.