OldSkool

Honestly, GSC has been an outlet and a place of refuge for me over the years. It's the only place I can go where people can relate and I can relate to their common experiences with TWI. Ive also used this site to expose what I was exposed to, and that was the cover-up and whitewash of all things wierwille. But more importantly has been my own cult recovery. GSC has given an outlet where I can see what others have gone through and how they navigated their murky waters, so to speak. Also, use the search function on the site and you will find a LOT of topics have been discussed and those discussions can really give some cool insight. I think if I had one piece of advice from an ex-wayfer that sits pretty high in importance is stay off your own back. In TWI I learned to condemn myself on an entirely new level....never fast enough, never good enough, just never enough. Just breath and breath easy. Enjoy life and enjoy the process of sorting all of this out, it's really a rewarding process of discovery.

I bet that was a line for line quote with LCM too. It's interesting though, when I was in rez the version of this can of malarkey they pushed was "any two believers can make a marriage work because they can renew their minds." I guess the bullshonta morphs to suit the times... What you describe with their marriage and how its value was centric to being VP's successor....they still encourage this same type of stuff. They call it spiritual goals, thats how they put it to the way corps. You want to marry someone with the same spiritual goals as yourself. So if you really want to be a region coordinator someday then marry someone with the same aspirations. I had that pushed on me since day one with my time in TWI. Im thinking bottom line is TWI has no business talking about marriages with anyone.

My apologies, could have made that more clear. It's against HR law to change someone's job because of their child's health problems. My director at the time was a bumbling doof when he came to visit us at the hospital. I wound up waiting on him to make sure he was taken care of instead of him actually caring for us.

Thanks for your background (didnt wanna say story cause dont wanna copycat T-Bone...nah nah..j/k) Definately be thankful you didn't go into the way corps. It's not a good lifestyle and is stressful for kids especially. As for being way corps elite..it's a bunch of nepotism, good ole boys type stuff. Vic/Craig good ole boy system and Rosalie thrived on favoritism an nepotism on behalf of her better half Donna. It all comes down to who they like and who they think will do exactly what they want without complaints. I was on the presidents cabinet for a couple years and was running the Ground Department during that time. I literally could do without that entire experience. Actually, being a department coordinator was fun. I had a ton of responsibility and an ego to match. I quickly fell out of favor when my son was born with health problems and the directors wanted to demote me because it turned out he had chronic kidney disease. That sort of thing is highly agains HR law, it wouldve been different if the health problems were mine or my spouses but not children. I knew what they were doing and why and I had had enough. Im not sure if it was the stress of the health issues or what, but the gloves came off and I fought them for dang near a year and a half. My former wife and I were treated like lepers by staff, way corps, and clergy alike. Nobody really knew what to do for us and to make it worse all the protocol at HQ and me being on the cabinet shut off anyone else from helping out in any meaningful way because I was the directors problem and they were supposed to take care of me. Well the one visit I got from my director at the hospital when my son was born turned out to be me catering to his sorry butt. Anywho, be glad you never did any of that. Am I better from all the various experiences from my way corps training? Sure, I definately am, but I could have had similar experiences hoboing on freight trains and stopping in random towns for short periods of time to work and witnes...lol.

Man...you have no idea (or maybe you do...lol) how bad the rip off goes for field way corp. They work a secular job then running a branch or small limb is a time consuming endeavor. They have to pony up their own gas money usually for driving all over the place...then there's all the little small change items that come out their pocket from meetings, classes, etc. Most field way corps won't even bother asking for petty cash because they seldom get it. The conversation might go like this ..I'm quoting an actual conversation here too from an old friend who was giving me an ear full about this crap. Branch guy to limb guy "I wanted to see if I can get $$ for gas from petty cash...it would really help." Limb guy to branch guy "oh yeah..well I can't do that but I understand. I just consider my travel expenses abundant sharing". That's the mindset.

Oh...yeah...ABS was to be sent to HQ unmolested...lol. it was supposed to be distributed back to the field as there was need but it's a one way flow to HQ.

Wasnt Kernel Sanders a millionaire? Cheap b@$turd couldnt kick in? Id rather have that southern version of austerity from when they cut coffee with Chickory cause it was hard to come by during the civil war. Community Coffee is a staple in Louisiana.

Good grief, thats just gross...wtf was the salt for? I had no idea that was an official thing...

DEAL!! I would do anything to be able to strum like that. I bet Lee Majors had to really practice to get that right...

(Love that movie) Dude...that's not way productions...we can ONLY watch Dancing with the...oops I mean Athletes of the Spirit...nothing secular...u might need to go through your corps training again... On another note I would literally feed my right arm to wild dogs or at the very least sharks with lasers strapped on their backs before going inresi..anything ever again..left handed anyway...

Cool! I have an entire stack of styrofoam cups I salvaged from the trash! One has a lipstick smudge that won't come off so be sure to give that to one of the ladies so she thinks the smudge is hers. Yee haaa ... Your abs at work?!!!

They can stay as long as their money holds

We're living the Original Bullshonta Administration.

Bruh...PFLAP Today is for this day time and hour.

Hey it's Waysider! I'm hoping you will do an encore version of Shonta Shonta Bo Fonta...number one hit right there...

Just like it only totally different

But it should be worth a picnic basket at least

That's known as the Bearian structur. Named after Dr. Yogi Beria

It was me. I didn't say it for any other reason than TWI teaches that you can place Jesus above God and be an idolater. Not true, just typical anti-Christ garbage from them. But like I said, it wasn't relative to anything you posted.

I think with SIT and TWI they misuse the concept and set the stage for blantant fakery. Why do I say fakery? Because there are folks here on GSC that admit they faked it out of pressure from TWI. Personally, I found the honesty refreshing. So with this topic I think theres a few over-simplified categories, but for communication sake and in no order of importance: 1 - Those who never spoke in tongues 2 - Those who actually did speak in tongues 3 - Those who faked it for one reason or another. Personally, once I saw SIT in scripture I literally just started speaking in tongues. No coaching, no excellor session, no pressure. I would be willing to submit a recording to a qualified, un-biased linguist. But what proof can I offer here that its legit? None. Just my word that Im not BSn and that it's just always flowed freely. If it ever turned out that the tongue was just me somehow faking it then so be it. Doesn't negate anything except that something I thought was legit isnt and I would need to keep searching the topic to figure out the real deal. Fair enough because ive been doing that for 14 years now since leaving TWI and I don't intend to stop. TWI forces people to produce what they call speaking in tongues. As ex-way corps I can tell you from coordinating many classes that there is pressure to make sure everyone speaks in tongues in the foundational class. No pressure to produce legit speaking in tongues, just pressure to produce. Naturally, there are some who faked it and maybe that's a majority. Im not qualified to say and can only speculate. What I do appreciate is the honesty of several people on GSC who came forward and called BS on TWI when it comes to speaking in tongues. I was naive enough to think that nobody would fake it. Well, social pressure is a bioch and honestly, well meaning people were put in a pressure type situation to produce and they did what they needed to do to get the class crew off their back. I fully fault TWI for this scenario because its common and systemic with the way international. I will also say that this isnt really a Christian site. Meaning there are some Christians who post here and there are some who aren't Christian who post here. There are some here who believe that all modern say SIT is bullshonta. While I may or may not agree (depending on the scenario) I do respect opposing points of view and respect peoples choice to believe as they see fit - after all God gave free will and who am I to get in the way of that process. I have no business judging anybody's personal walk, or lack thereof. At this point Im more interested in respect and if that respect is mutual then there can be a healthy relationship with proper boundaries in place. If it's not mutual then I respect that as well. Nobody has to believe as I do for me to believe as I do, or respect what I believe. TWI has a lot about speaking in tongues wrong, especially those dumba$$ excellor sessions that only go towads fulfilling a bogus promise made when people register for the class. That bogus promise? How to know you are born again. That's TWI's lithmus test. The way international has this problem with lording over God's people and adding unnessary garbage on top of the Christian's lifestyle. I think speaking in tongues is fairly clear in scripture with a few verses that are perhaps questionable in their presentation in TWI. So all the pressure, and all the plateaus about speaking in tongues needs to be thrown off to the side because there are way more important issues with salvation besides whether or not I can speak in tongues.

Ive been dealing with those same fearful feelings for years, and it's not just related to this topic but all things TWI. I was literally scared to start posting here back in 2009. Here is my first post back in 2009 Im not sure if you can tell from my choice of words but I was terrified to post here. The fear they instilled in me was off the charts. Picking up the pieces including my ability to be able to discuss my experiences in TWI outside of TWI's control and it was terrifying at first. Once I started posting and got a little more comfortable I soon realized that that sense of fear simply kept moving to the next topics where I would participate. Ive come to understand that the way international uses fear based tactics to control people. Fear based aren't the only manupulative tactics but that fear was very real in my life. I can't speak to the entirety of what you are dealing with, but I can relate and my advice is to keep confronting those fears and give them to God in prayer. Ask the Lord for guidance, ask for his help. But above all understand that it gets better in time. Its taken me years to just be myself here on GSC. I know that the board of directors knows exactly who OldSkool is in real life. They always knew once I started posting any substance. It took me some tim to muster the courage to no longer care. That was a process though and I encourage you to not feel pressured in anyway. Its your walk, your relationship with God/Christ, and I only ask that you walk in accord with their direction as you determine when you are ready. Healing takes time.

Absolutely. Give it to the Lord and rest in comfort knowing that he will lead you as your Lord in these areas. BTW - It's impossible to elevate Jesus Christ above God because It's God who has highly exalted him. Wierwille and TWI shooed us away from the book of Revelation with the rather ridicoulous notion that it's not written to us, but to some group in another administration - lies! Im posting these verses because it's the most descriptive illustration we see in scripture of our Lord after the ascension. I know that much of the language is figurative...but it's not figurative to somehow downplay Christ's glory, it's the opposite. He is so glorious in his ascended state that only figurative language will do in this description. Revelation 1:10-18 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Twi's history is only segmented by you. Blaming Craig is like blaming the leaf produced by a toxic plant for it's own toxcicity when the toxins are produced by the root. TWI history is very straightforward and very linear. No divisions at all. The group today is a group that started with wierwille and has paid untold amounts of money to BakerHostetter to learn how function within the confines of the law and only change what caused them problems.

Good greasy grief! You are literally tying to take advantage of how wierwille structered his PFLAP book into Parts. Then you are saying its all used as a memory peg and is figurative and not literal? I need say no more. I mean it's by your own words. This is about as dishonest as you can get.