OldSkool

Well, that was a kick in the nads, yes. However, it wasnt so much that he lied - it was that they all lied. Wierwille, martindale, rosalie, and a bunch of people that I personally knew and worked with that were listed on the lawsuits. It's that wierwilles works were plagairaized. The entire way ministry is built on lies and that was the tough part because I believed them at their word that they were doing the best they knew and all that jazz. I never expected perfection but I did expect them to live up to how they said they operated. Lies all across the board. Heck - when the electical loop at HQ fried from neglect in 1999 I even saw John Reynolds get up an lie about that. Made it sound like they took care of things to the utmost and the project was planned. Turns out they knew at least since 96 the direct burial cable was shedding voltage and was in the process of failing. Lies all across the board. If they didn't lie so much there would be no need for any websites to expose them.

Gotcha. I was naive enough to believe all the hoopla. Was a dyed in the wool wayfer with way colored glasses all the way. It wasn't until martindale did the phone hookups where he announced he had his affair, lied about that one too. It took a couple years and coming on staff to start to understand that TWI is corrupt and a cult. Took me about five years of reading here on GSC and waydaly using the wayback machine...John Jeudes site...Im one of those that if it wasn't for the internet I woulda likely stayed in the dark. I do feel for you though, especially considering your life has been sideswiped so hard by all of this - leaving a mess to sort out.

I didn't know and it was on GSC that I found out that TWI was rotten. Could have I found out another way? kind of a moot point because the internet is how I found out.

As a former occultist who was into some pretty evil $#$! --- I dealt with a lot of fear and trepidation thinking I was born of the wrong seed. Suicide was not off the table and I literally thought about it. I mean, if I was born of the wrong seed and had a permanent wedge in my brain that let any spirit in to do whatever they wanted suicide becomes a viable way to pump the brakes and stop the evil. Thankfully those thoughts never became action nor were they incubated very long ... but to be clear I can fully understand how someone who believed this crap (as I used to) could commit suicide.

Which is a really good and long standing point. I remember well martindale going slap tf off regarding followers spenging time on the internet. That was a huge no-no. At first I thought he was right because I didn't know there was anything duplicitous about TWI and anything said online would have been slanderous. Boy was I wrong. Fast forward maybe a year...maybe a little less the allen lawsuit exploded and Craig was doing a phone hookup where he admitted to having a mutually conesensual extra-marital affair with F. @ll3n. And still I believed the jive...I literally believed that soup. I had no idea there was a systemic problem with adultery in TWI. Then going forward with rosalie, who HATED the internet: So why did she hate the internet? Rosalie considered it a form of dirty communication. Put that in perspective: the only dirty communication regarding TWI on the internet is where people have come forward and exposed what was going on with TWI, the adultery, the abuse that was rampant but the dirt was the way international's dirt. Now, I don't know what the current line of garbage is discrediting the internet. Since TWI feels like they have distanced themselves from the scandals of the early 2000s Im sure it's along the lines of "bringing up the past" type warnings. The way internatinal has positioned themselves to blame craig martindale for all the adultery that was rampant amongst the corps and especially the president of twi, which traces back to wierwille and TWI doesnt want that known. So martindale is rosalies fall guy and wierwille is their whitewashed bronze statued idol, and according to TWI, we here at GSC are likely just a bunch of old bitter cop outs rehashing the past. The only problem with that narrative is the people who whitewashed and hid the scandals are still in power. John Rupp for example. He was at the forefront of the coverup. Any organization that's truly operating with Biblical ethics will not try to hide sin. They would address it publicly and honestly with an explanation for how it happened and would also institute changes that would address the problems so they do not happen again. But the way international is not honest at all. They intentionally hide, whitewash the past, cover the errors and all to preserve their positions of power and paychecks, though those paychecks may be meager they still provide a living off the golden calf. Not to mention they have been editing and re-editing their classes and publication for well over 25 years (likely closer to 40 years) to remove all the lunacy that wierwille and martindale spewed and also to hide the blatant plagaraisism thats would be readily appearant in the uneditied versions. John Jeudes is a good example of someone who has taken earlier twi publications and showed line by line where they were copied from. http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/tw_founder.htm Oh --- edited this post to be clear that the method the way international has used to address the adulterous affairs, and other systemic issues is to teach classes. For example, the came out with living Gods Word as a family. In that class they set out proper Christian frameworks for sex, marriage, husband of one wife, etc. So Rosalie felt the way to handle error was to "teach to it". What do you guys think? Is putting out classes that address the problems indirectly while whitewashing the past and hiring attorneys for guidance on how to operate a cult legally an honest, godly, ethical manner for a so called Christian ministry to operate?

Thats rich.

Yah...you have a point...

I could never have an eject button...pretty sure I would eject my wife or son at some point and regret it later...

To be clear, it's not that you post or even what you post...it's your dishonest tactics you use to try and steer the conversation to you being right 100% of the time. You actually resort to your imagination and make up stuff to prove your point. Anywho...laters Mike.

I'm not responsible for your actions.

I love it that Mike's teeth finally started showing....knew they were just under the surface...continues to prove his bullshonta trollshonta ways.

Please do.

Mike will continue as long as we feed him the attention he so desires so he can acheive his goals. Im just as guilty of passing out troll food so I will do my part and stop. But, yes, I actually really would like to discuss the topic of this thread, that mike wants us not makes me want to get back on track that much more. Obviously, we are moving into a touchy area given the similarities of wierwille and Branham and obviously wierwille gleaned from him as well but never, afaik, mentioned him by name.

You make it everyone's business by posting it on a public forum gene-yuse.

Hey gene-yuse...how does this work? Adam sinned and God gave him the silent treatment...Jesus Christ never sinned so God gives him the same silent treatment as Adam...talk about taking out your problems on the wrong child! Oh wait....its the figure of speech bullshonta-lay

Its pretty clear that given Branham was before wierwille and had a way bigger name that he pulled information from him. I was toying with the idea of making a list... similar seed the serpent teachings eve had sex with the devil as stated by Craig in WAP class life begins at the first breath per wierwille and craig sanctioning abortion both had faked supernatural "comissioning" stories .....more to come

I mean sometimes you have to put all this in perspective. God - the creator of the heavens and earth, who created sound, vibrational frequencies, languages, tongues, mouths, on down the line....that same God now lacks the ability to actually make sound himself to communicate with his creation. He MUST only talk to spirit because of the adversary...as I remember in order to be just to the adversary God had to limit himself to make the playing field equal...that's from DTA but paraphrased. Makes no sense on any level whatsoever. Heres the bad guy and instead of limiting the bad guy from hurting my kids im gonna limit myself and not talk to my kids so Im fair to the devil....complete bullshonta...

Your actions speak louder than your words.

Yeah...hoo boy is right...here's a nice lil nugget from that book im going through today: Now, who else do we know that taught you aren't alive until your first breath?

Translation: I've managed to derail this thread so I'm leaving now.

Yeah...I limited myself in raising my son who is 16 now. I dont talk to him so I can keep him protected...its for his own benefit.

Good grief....if he could really lie and decided not to then he would be lying to say he cant lie. This is beyond remedial.

I know, right>? Cant you just feel the hate seething from my keyboard as I let my way corps slip show... Honestly Mike - u think your making folks like me mad when the opposite is true. Im literally laughing at the stuff you post because its ludicrous. As I troll a troll you are none the wiser which leads me to believe you lack basic cognitive skills. wierwille's idolotrous doctrines do produce cognitive dissonance if you follow down that rabbit hole long enough.