OldSkool

Do you even realize you are quoting and arguing with yourself? Oh wiat I forgot you don't know how to use the quote function properly.

Well...all I can say is from following Mike's convoluted logic it's all our fault cause we REALLY just dont get it.

Here Johniam employs another logic fallacy called a red herring where his "unvarnished" record of experience is introduced into the argument to silence and discredit dissent and also to get things off topic. Classic misdirection ploy. Oh...and....lmao...he was trusted by TWI leadership to play music at fellowship....hes a real spiritual heavy weight...

Oh look mom...another endless geneology where johniam shows everyone how much more capable he is than everyone else who doesn't know better like he does....

Oh boy oh boy...now you are hitting that chewy caramel sinter....Ive heard so many excuses for TWI not changing and change is slow one is at the top of the list...my other favorite is you can't turn the titanic on a dime...I dont think they thought that one through very well...

You are truly delusional. They buried the Schoenheit paper and fired the guys who wrote and agreed with it. Nothing was melted down until the Allen lawsuit and the only reason that worked is due to waydale ... why? Thanks for asking....because the way international doesn't want the truth to get out to this very day. They were willing to pay millions to keep it off public record.

You will never be able to figure that one out unless you see it for yourself, and you arent in their same caste. Why do you think everything with them is condidential? Its not like they are gaurding military secrets...why does a so called Christian ministry need so much secrecy?

Thanks!!

Yes, and people can be Christian - moot point. David wasn't a Christian because Christ was still future to David so how could he be Christian? Yet - he looked forward to the coming Messiah and God hasn't changed and God has never been about material abundance, though he can provide it, but thats not the essence of God - love and light yes - money no. I didn't say anyone was Christian or not I will say it again - shameful to even attach Christ name to any organization that calls themselves Christian but preaches the damnable prosperity gospel. Obviously, I am talking about the organization and not the people in it.

Correct! But a Christian organization that is all about material abundance is not a Christian orginazation at all because that's not what Christianity is about and its shameful to even attach Christ name to any organization that calls themselves Christian but preaches the damnable prosperity gospel. You can go make all the money you want in life and you can even do that as a Christian, but that's not the essence of Christianity.

Thats awesome, just know you have, and continue to inspire me to greater works. Thanks!

Yes, it's a great method IF its not the only action. TWI has no accountability and they refuse to be accountable. Mike - I saw the coverup and whitewash first hand for 8 years...its till going on today but for 8 years I saw it first hand and was supportive of it and involved. That's why I post here - I will not be included in their sins by my quiet support...and quiet support would be just what I would be giving them if I were to silently walk away.

Thats because under terms of the settlement with the @llen$ waydale had to close. So they did a document dump and washed their hands of being webmasters. GSC stepped in to continue that work --- work that wouldnt be necessary if TWI wasn't a deceptive, abusive cult.

I agree. The staff handbook only applies to paid staff. There are no protections in place for any volunteer position or field follower period. Nothing. Field way corps are harassed and pushed around all sorts of ways that never happen on staff anylonger. Keep in mind too that a harassment policy in their staff handbook is a system of redress that is designed to protect both employee and employer. They put that harassment policy in place to cover their own butts, otherwise as you noted, those efforts would have trickled out the field. There is no clear path to report anything besides your local leadership. If someone tries to send complaints up the way tree it will most likely not go much further than the limb leadership....field way corps know full well that if they report problems in their area that they will be blamed for those problems wheter they are culpable or not so there is a cover your foot culture embedded within leadership.

Mike, I don't doubt that you have good ideas and ideas that are appropriate to the problem. The problem with talking to leadership is it will go nowhere at all, ever. Even if the leadership you are conversing with actually sends the suggestions up the way tree it will go nowhere at all...unless what they are doing is perceived as an effort to convert TWI people then there will be a swift mark and avoid decision, as in the case of RNR folks. The way international puts out a false front that they are amenable to suggestions; except they aren't. The directors will continue to run TWI the same way they have for years now, especially after they have spent all that money to lawsuit proof themselves. I was way corps and on the presidents cabinet and can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that they do not and will not take your suggestions. Why do I mention way corps? Because you, thankfully - for your own sake - (not being insulting here), were never corps. There's two faces with the way corps. The official one they present to the ministry and the real way corps that has a lot of delegated responsibility with very little actual authority. As a member of the cabinet I had very little actual authority besides what was delegated to keep my areas of responsibility functioninc smoothly. Think of it this way: There are leaders and there are managers. Managers work within a very limited framework to make others more effecient and successful in their jobs. Leaders have authority and responsibility and can make actual changes and steer everyone towards a common goal...perhaps oversimplified definitions but Im speaking about the way corps...most every way corps positions below the director/officer level is a management spot. The directors do not care for your feedback.

I have tried and was shunned and ignored because I no longer am way corps and no longer support/fellowship with TWI.

Great post, thx for the reply. They did add an anti-harassment, detailing sexual harassment,to the staff handbook...does that count?

4 seasons - yes - live in Cincinnati. Dont really get out and walk much anymore...kinda lame I know...lol... Ordinary and typical is where life happens. The way international adds the word "spiritual" as a modifier and makes their own subculture to support the modified concepts. Its the word of life it just fits everyday life. Consider the Lords prayer in this case: We bring God's will to earth as we abide in the Word of Life. It all happens right here in front of us...

Train - one of the most overused and abused words in TWI. You train a dog....anywho...I received window cleaning training as well when I worked housekeeping in residence and on the field from a painter I worked with at times doing extrerior painting. We would overspray the window and come back with a razor scraper and squegee so that required training as well..

Cool! For me it was the same type of question...what jelled up in my heart was to take care of and love those in my family, and also people I interface with throughout the day. So, I am doing just that. I have some really cool conversations with folks just by being respectful and light hearted. Ditto on being as invisible as possible. Im dang near a recluse anymore, serious homebody. As for witnessing...there is no such thing to me. I talk scripture with a lot of people, and it's not always quotes from the KJV. I feel no pressure to undershepherd anyone, because my job is to bring them to Christ. Obviously, at times there are needs that come up where I pray for people or get specific and personal. But the cool thing is Im taking them to Christ and not TWI. No pressure, just service to our Lord. No name tag, none of that junk. It's not needed.

Does indeed. One of my corps brothers started several window cleaning companies and made out like a bandit. He flipped two companies and las I knew was partner but not actively working in a third. Guy made a ton of money though.

Yeah...well nothing tops the Duckbill Platypus because God had leftover parts and BAM!

Im wondering if wierwille was a secret Branham knockoff.

Holy bullshonta! Branham interfaced with the trees too, same as wierwille.