OldSkool

Sounds about right. Corny @$$ dog and pony show.

No...that was pre-oldskool...I've seen pictures though...would love to see the video...hook a brother up!...

Man what kinda oil? Linseed, palm, canola, olive..or maybe it was motion lotion...that oil thing I'm sure was quite dramatic.

Ok...I'll look that phrase up when I'm back on my computer...thx.

I think so too. Im thinking the Doctor part was to give off an air of intellectual superiority and fake research credentials since a ThD is an advanced research degree that would actually mean something from a real school and the one got from pike peaks was worthless. I agree with that appeal to authority...especially when you consider he had that jacked version of Romans 13 that allowed himself to call himself and his leadership group "higher powers" -- which they were not.

Yessir!

And thats mikes goal as well...I mean its obvious from his content. Like I said, if you feel like you need to address anything have at it and Im not holding back either. Im just not interested in doing the same dance everyday so I will likely largely ignore mike unless he can actually deal with the topic. And if you notice he did not dissect not the first link I posted which means he doesnt follow the links or read much of anything and jumps in here with basically opininated ramblings that are ;likely an embarrasment to the way. So let him keep on keeping on.

Well, I cant say but I can say since ive stopped worrying about mike im already enjoying my time here again...lol

Im sure there are other sources, however at this point its difficult to find an unbiased schorlarly work on Darby and I think i finally found one. Im not discounting that I may be a dumb@$$ and have overlooked just such a book from other sources...lol. What I have mostly found is either people who are rabidly against Darby or the fundie crowd that call Darby a great man of God and fawn over the guy like he was worthy of such adoration...wait a tick...sounds like..ya.. Ive started reading it and so far were off to the races.

Im thinking at this point, and this will probably change as I progress, that there was more of an progression of events where doctrinal/practical elements sort of snowballed as time went. But it seems a inter-related, somewhat traceable effort with these movements that largely comprise fundamentalist/pentacostal/evangelical Christianity as we know today. That book I posted in doctrinal on Darby promises to be a good read. Cool insight.

Salient point.

First off, I have been an terrible example of what I am about to post, sometime knowing what to do and doing are two...yeah..well...The way to deal with most any internet troll is to ignore the shenanigans and stay on topic in spite of them. If they have on topic contributions that are more than something as crazy as weve seen posted lately then respond. If its just the same ole obvious button pushing then either ignore it or say your peace and keep it moving back on topic. Im not saying dont ever respond either, thats an individual choice. I dont think banning Mike is the way to go, if for no other reason than I would rather deal with his voice of dissent than stifle it simply because thats what TWI would do, and Im not directing anything at you Chockful cause Im sympathetic to how yo feel. Banning someone who doesnt follow forum rules is a common practice. Personally, and my opinion means squat in the scheme of things, but personally - I like that mike comes in with his point of view and we can respond logically, with facts and resources that prove whatever the positions are and he can be as crazy as he wants...except the crazier he gets the more it shows the end results of wierwilles doctrines. Like I say, someone like Mike who posts all the uncomfortable history that the way international wants to silence is actually working against all things pfal and the way international, so let him have at it. Im sure from Rafs, or any other mods point of view, if we are engaging in the same shenanigans that mike brings to the table then we are just as culpable as mike in dragging the forums all over the place. Not only that I wouldnt want a mod silencing anything I had to say here on GSC and we would be forcing them to choose sides where they likely should remain objective and uninvolved with doctrinal content unless said content is egregiously harmful. My 2 cents.

I bet the fact that a ThD is considered an advanced research degree also was a ploy to reinforce the whole Biblical research schtik. But as it's been noted many times, the entire way tree structure was always about generating income as was wierwille.

For anyone interested, I just started a thread in doctrinal to carry this topic further: To be clear I am going into this study assuming from previous studies that Darby was the main catalyst for many modern day fundamentalist/occultic doctrines that eventuall spawned degree mills and led to hucksters like victor paul wierwille, with wierwille being pretty much a minion of more influential people in this movement. We shall see if my assumptions remain correct and what changes based on objective evidence.

To be clear I am going into this study assuming from previous studies that Darby was the main catalyst for many modern day fundamentalist/occultic doctrines that eventuall spawned degree mills and led to hucksters like victor paul wierwille, with wierwille being pretty much a minion of more influential people in this movement. We shall see if my assumptions remain correct and what changes based on objective evidence. I have been studying John Nelson Darby for some time now and have decided to kick my studies up a notch. So while searching around the internet this morning I came across a book that so far has proven to be the most exhaustive. To be clear where my position is at the moment: A) I no longer believe in any form of dispensationalism/administrations in scripture. B) I still do believe in a pre-trib rapture based on 1 Corinthian 15 and 2 Thessalonians 2 being quite clear on the subject. We shall see where I land on point B after I get through this book, which is titled: A Critical Examination of the Ecclesiology of John Nelson Darby By Matthew Austin Clarke and it is: A thesis submitted to the University of Gloucestershire in accordance with the requirements of the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in the Faculty of Humanities. (so it is scholarly in nature) https://eprints.glos.ac.uk/3192/1/545745_Redacted.pdf

Certainly has. I have to admit part of my motivation is to represent the truth and past that the way international, and mike are tying so hard to bury. You guys had been doing that before I started posting here in 2009 and if it wasnt for those efforts I may not have made it out when I did. However, I need to do better at how I handle things in the sense polluting the threads here with "I know you are but what am I " type arguments dont help at all either. With that stuff I can do better. Not that Im going to quetly slink away either...just not in my nature.

Thanks for posting! I responded to Twinky on another thread but I am quoting it here too as it seems relevant.

Thats an interesting question. On one hand if anyone has mental or emotional issues (Im not saying Mike does) trying to verbally beat them into submission is certainly going to crystallize the indefensible as valid in their perspective and heart. On the other hand there is people should be able to discuss their position and if they persist in being overly obnoxious and keep going against the forum rules then those at GSC certainly have every right to hold them accountable....however that occurs may or may not have much of an effect...or even be helpful to the individual. Personally, I can back off a bit. Maybe try and stick to the material at hand and keep it actual and factual. Perhaps back off on trying to argue minutia and stick to relevance. I cant promise this is going to be an immediate change..but I will do my level best. I appreciate you and Rocky speaking up. Thanks!

Im starting to get the impression from your posts that there was a largish movement in America where guys like wierwille popped up like whack-a-mole. Have you traced any of this back to EW Kenyon and New Though Movement types in the late 1800s early 1900s?

His fake degree that less valuable than a roll of Charmin was granted by a degree mill in 1948 I believe...

So he lied about who he was to impress others who were more capable than him so he could steal their work. We agree. mmmm....whats that word Nathan_Jr used.....mmm....h..h..u..c..k...s....t...e..r.

Or all without difficulty?

Im studying this one as well. It traces back to Westcott-Hort, John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingram Scofield and onward from there. Occultic ideas were slowly infused into Christianity and Wierwille rode that tide and so did I and thankfully I am out and fully forgiven.