OldSkool

I will revise my statement somewhat. While the printing press could contribute widely to fundamentalism, it wasnt an issue in 1455 with the Gutenburg Bible being the first newly printed Bible. I guess the same holds true with a hammer..lame illustration but it communicates...whether you crack some over the head with a hammer, its unintended use --- or us it for its intended purpose of driving nails depends largely on the designs of the one using the tool.

Yes! Thats what led me to this study because it seems that Darby's dispensational intrepretation and his rewite of the Bible lends itself towards burying that main line of demarcation you mention: old vs new covenants. You are so very correct on the revelation of Jesus Christ being a lot more personal than some world event. At this point I feel dispensationalism seperates and reassigns sections of scriptire to groups that it's not addressed instead of addressing mankind along the tenets of the old and new covenants with Jesus ratification of the new covenant in his own blood being that line of demarcation between the two.

My apologies, I misunderstood. Thanks and oh yeah! I think the points you elaborate can go far in eliminating various and sundry logic fallacies employed by some critics who are incapable of actually reading the material and addressing it in turn.

Wierwille emphatically condemns “private interpretation” and demands that the Word interpret itself.9 Yet the question remains whether he is manipu- lating biblical evidence to bend the way that the Word “interprets itself” to the advantage of his preconceived theology. --- --- John Juedes: Wierwille's Way with the Word

Those critiscism are most definately content based. In this article he gets into wierwille's research methogs using 4 topics

Linder was good for standing up for folks...personally, I got a long with him and he was very helpful to me even as I was leaving twi. I'm sure he played double agent between me and Rosalie but I expected that and used it to my advantage. I understand he was complicit with Craig, wierwille, etc.

Typical. These guys stop their ears as soon as anything disagrees with them and start lecturing with the very thing called in question: wierwilles word

Thats not the first time I have caught a wiff of that stuff but I chalked it up to Fr@nqui's influence. I should have known better and was appearantly fooled by Don's "cool" persona he puts off.

Seriously? I used to respect him...guess that was misplaced.

Although Wierwille takes up some topics that Bullinger does not, Receiving the Holy Spirit Today is heavily based on the content, structure, and general conclusions of The Giver and His Gifts. In addition, every section of Bullinger’s book has been incorporated into Wierwille’s book in some form. --- John Juedes: Wierwille's Way with the Word

The most disturbing feature of The Way is not that the group respects Wierwille, but that they place his work on par with Scripture and above the Greek texts that are the Bible’s basis! --- John Juedes: Wierwille's Way with the Word

Whats happening, great post! Happy New year too my friend! And hey...we dont have to do a corny @$$ new years eve fellowship to celebrate wierwilles birthday and pray in the new year....lol...Im all for prayer but...yeah

Never gave that too much thought. Gotta say when fiction is printed as fact and those lies become widely distributed and believed...yeah. Definately part of the mix as oppsed to say cyclical letters that had key markings/wax seals to prove their authenticity. Interesting point.

I came across this article by John Jeudes and thought I would pass it along for discussion. https://cloud.disroot.org/s/dq9wTyr3bEDJLof

Indeed. John Jeudes has an addition thats appropriate to the topic. Many have probably read it already but for those who wanna know that they know tha...I mean who want to read along...lol http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/vp_bioCoverup.htm

Thanks Rocky, Bolsh, Nathan_Jr....I gotta say that when the shoe fits. I mean at the end of the day when a persons questions remained unanswered it was not uncommon to let people know that Dr. knows best because he is a Dr. Kinda gets back to the idea that A - experts know best B - You are not an expert so you cant refute what they know C - experts know best Quoting John Jeudes who ties this concept straight back to wierille.... https://cloud.disroot.org/s/dq9wTyr3bEDJLof From Wierwilles Way with the Word - by John Jeudes Victor Paul Wierwille is the founder and president of The Way Inter- national. Although The Way acknowledges that new light may change its present teaching, it now considers Dr. Wierwille to be authoritative and infallible in dividing God’s Word. Wierwille is venerated for his four decades of “Biblical research and teaching.” His followers credit him with teaching “the depth, solidity and dynamic of the greatness of the Word of God” in the foundation class of The Way, called Power for Abundant Living.1 To support his doctrine, Wierwille claims that one day in 1942 God the Father spoke to him audibly, He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first century if I would teach it to others.2 He now claims that his “tape and film classes are taught according to the accuracy of God’s Word.”3 The group enthusiastically calls him “Dr.” although the biographical front matter in his books typically stop short of citing the source of this degree, which is Pikes Peak Bible Seminary, a “reputed degree mill.”

Thanks Rocky!

Ive had those classes so many times I lost count and I still cant tell you what the goals are. I mean theres the mindless maxims, such as "maximum learning in minumum time"....or they grab a verse and say the classes are so the the man of God may be throughly furnished, or fully equipped like an old ship ready to set sail....all meaningless and the true purpse is never really stated..which would be to indoctrinate people to the point that they start signiing new people up for classes. A pyramid scheme cant survive without fresh fish.

I think thats legit. When you attach "spiritual" to whatever and set that us vs them mentality with the "household vs The World" scenario it pretty much turns into fantasy land. HQ is definately an alternate reality. One that newcomers usually hate the first several months as they are harassed into compliance on all the dip$hit unwritten traditions around that place. On the field people are slowly indoctrinated into "the household" slowly via conferred status as they bag the next class and eventually start signing up for whatever the outreach program du' juor is at the moment. I think the "renewing your mind" schtik is telling a person to accept that their boundaries have been erased or at the very least moved and they need to accept it.

Accurate. Really no depth .. just pretentiousness and etiquette.

Which is, all shonta aside, quite disturbing in its own right.

Yeah...does look like they bout to graduate somebody, no doubt...lol

Thats interesting. Lamsa called himself a doctor as well. From: https://www.equip.org/articles/george-m-lamsa/ Lamsa also attempts to establish scholarly credentials as a means of gaining acceptance. He claims to have been born about 1892, and to have acquired an A.B. degree equivalent in 1907 and a Ph.D. equivalent in theology in 1908 from Archbishop of Canterbury’s College, Turkey.50 He also claims to have graduated from Episcopal Theology Seminary in Virginia51 and to have studied at the University of Pennsylvania and Dropsie College. Lamsa, however, appears to have exaggerated his academic credentials. First, he claims to have attained a Ph.D. at age 16, only one year after his A.B.52 Second, there are no records of his graduation from a seminary, and his own writings suggest that he was never at any school long enough to attain any valid degree.

Whats with the robes anyway?