OldSkool

I dont think anyone ever need look any further than these verses to see God has placed Jesus Christ in charge and all things that the Father has belong to Jesus Christ who willingly gives them to us. This prophecy is literally fulfilled in the book of Acts, and in fact, to this very day. Great posts T-Bone. Give me a little time to respond...awesomeness though! You have my thoughts going in a fw directions.

Actually, I do bring up the difficult topics at fellowship, but only when I'm sure there are no younger grads or new people who will hear me. And that makes you accountable for lying to people when u know the truth. Actually, this statement is very revealing on how much you have made the way internationals unethical practice of hiding and distorting the truth your very own. That's dishonest and someday you will explain how all that works to the non-absent Christ face to face. The so called difficult topics will eventually steam roll so called younger grads one day leaving them totally clueless and they will either have to accept a series of lies or hopefully they will run for the door and far away from twi.

Denial. Anytime the truth about wierwille stacks up and becomes irrefutable by all normal means of debate you run. Why can't u accept the truth? Are you afraid? I used to be. I was afraid the truth about the way international would somehow lessen God.. God loves the people in the way international but God is not tied to a 501-c3. He's much too awesome to fit in our boxes we try and make for him so we can deal with God on our terms. Learn to accept God on God's terms. Whatever the real truth is it's far greater than believing a lie.

I gave up trying to help him understand that the so called new leadership is the same old leadership with new faces...nothing of substance will change and they DO NOT want to hear from your average field believers...that way corps superiority complex keeps the directors from actuall listening to people in any meaningful way.

A camera offers an appropriate analogy.

Oh...you think your gonna fix hq with the law of believing....lol

Not once, and AFAIK neither is it a concept utilized across Christendom. The boiled frog analogy...which wont work but makes a cool analogy. If you increase the heat slowly the frog wont jump out the pot.

Im thinking that started with the revival and restoration exodus...or maybe it was Rico going to HQ to teach from Florida and telling Rosalie that God told him to tell her that he was to take over the ministry?...Not realy sure but I feel it's related to something around that time frame...

Thats an astute observation. So does it become great again in the advanced class? Is it basic in this context because they are just touching on the basic elements of their no-so-great principle? Interesting.

Man, say that again a few more times for the folks in the back! Not only is it bondage it has a way of siphoning off ones money in mis-spent tithes. Strange how that reliance results in an almost starry eyed worship. I used to look at VPW and Martindale as if they were spiritual giants...now I realize they were little mice amongst grown men.

I went back through and read the chapters in John you mentioned, love that section of scripture btw. Im willing to put forth an idea on how all this works and I feel that wierwille missed the entire boat. Im thinking that the interagency you mentioned T-Bone has everything to do with God's love for us and God redeeming those who will choose to accept Christ as their Lord. It all works along the love of God and is everything to do with a Father and his love for his children, yeah his entire creation John 3:16. So from God to Jesus Christ to those who declare him Lord is the new nature, holy spirit, the mystery, the spirit of sonship that was sent into our hearts that cries Abba Father. In our response we love God back by being obedient to his will, and as we live our lives as witnesses of Jesus Christ, the three agree as one - God, Jesus Christ, Us, his children who have been clothed in holy spirit. Its by the love of God that works in us that we reach out and minister to those in need simply because we love God and it's his will for us to serve each other and love our neighbors as ourselves after we love God with our entire heart, soul, mind, and strength. The story of God and his people has always been, is right now, and will always be a love story. Whether is the love of a Groom for his Bride or the love of a Father for his lost but now found children: Love rules the day. People like wierwille make the mistake of trying to climb up some other way than the actual Jesus Christ by replacing him with an absent counterfeit that suits their lusts. Instead of love they mistake the power of God as a means to satisfy their lusts for material gain, and I think weve seen that play out with wierille and the way international. They speak of tapping the power of God...they speak of operating the gift, they speak of the new nature as a lever of power to push material gain into their coffers. Instead of love for God and Christ they operate out of a material lust and see God's power as a means to an end. Which is why the very top leadership of the way international DO NOT work miracles, they DO NOT heal the sick, they DO NOT love Gods people the way God would have them to and they especially dishonor God and Jesus Christ by devlaring Christ absent and replacing him with a book that wasnt even printed until 1455.

Interesting and enlightening. Im thinking this is a fair assessment of VPW. The thing that bakes my noodle, so to speak, is the absolute dishonesty TWI uses with changing, editing, revising, dropping doctrines that VPW set in motion. It is really their tacit agreement that he was saying some wild stuff but they are willing to edit away all the questionable doctrines to endeavor to acheive some sense of acceptance from their disenfranchised followers and modern day Christianity. In the case of The Way Loving in Love they have dropped an entire book and seem to pretend it never existed...giving this particular book because it was loaded with insanity and is obviously an embarrassment to present TWI leadership.

I personally believe that once a person is dead they are in an unconscience state, similar to a dreamless sleep. I base this not on ADAN...but why in the heck would we need the gathering together, ressurection of the just, and resurrection of the unjust if everyone is alive already? Also, why would Jesus need to be raised from the dead if he was already in heaven. Until I can get this sorted out a little better thats where my opinions are on the subject

I mean Im trying to leave out the obvious that God's power comes with a relationship with Jesus Christ and God...its not something that can be operated.

From: https://thewayinternational.com/operating-the-gift-of-holy-spirit/ So my question then becomes did they edit out the great principle to elminate the obvious fallacy that God who is spirit can only talk to that which he is: spirit. I checked the collaterals and PFLAP book and didn't explicitly find the great principle so I am assuming it was relegated to the DTA class (which is defunct AFAIK), or the Advanced class as that was the last place I remember seeing it laid out in detail. So is TWI whitewashing the great principle too? Or are they just letting the cat out the bag a little at a time and then setting the hook later in the pflap class series with that erroneous garbage: That God who is Spirit can only communicate with that which he is spirit and that spirit in turn teaches our fleshly minds, something God couldnt do...yeah...

It would make sense the way you are thinking about it, and I think TWI would leave room for a person to draw that conclusion...but no....they mean you can only go as far as they are going to teach you. That would be a more honest way for them to say it. My 2 cents and experiences rolled up into one...

Well, for Oldskool, me taking the time to respond to his posts has resulted in pee-wee herman type name calling that just confuses the h3ll out of what being discussed. For me it typically goes like this... 1) I respond to troll bait in a somewhat intellegint and hopefully intelligible manner 2) Mike adds a fresh layer of bullshonta 3) I respond to bullshonta with freshly pushed buttons and wind up in a "I know you are but what am I " type conversation 1.1) I respond to troll bait in a somewhat intellegint and hopefully intelligible manner 2.2) Mike adds a fresh layer of bullshonta 3.3) I respond to bullshonta with freshly pushed buttons and wind up in a "I know you are but what am I " type conversation and so on...and the end result is forum boards that are barely intelligible and topics are grossly mischaracterized and confused. Mike takes a Colombo approach. He is obviously intelligent enough to act as though he is both smarter and dumber than he actually is and he uses that to derail...thats painfully obvious.

I can certainly see that as an issue for individual as you describe, people who are lame enough to take a run at kids cause they cant handle the adults. Weak. If it wasn't for sites like GSC, Waydale, John Jeudes various sites, etc, I likely would have wound up another version of Linder or worse Lomax...I guess I see the internet as a mode of communication that easilt reflects the intent of those who communicate. In your case sounds like some chumps decided to bully you in your fomative years...lame.

I don't know either, but I suspect Lutheran. When you goto the parent directories on his websites you will see why I say that: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/vp_stolenrthst.htm to parent directory: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/

I can't exactly answer for Skyrider, but GSC is comprised of input from active members...so I think he means he's glad to see we are still making viable contributions to the stated purpose of GSC vs GSC bring an entity capable of independent action of its own volition, and by design or inadvertantly punishing innocents.

Yw. Juedes has an actual Doctorate and tends to be easier for me to read than follow along on video. Which I prefer since I would rather be accurately informed and perhaps less entertained than lied to in an entertaining manner like wierwille...

I'm pretty sure linder was complicit in Martindale's affairs and was heading to court with the others.

Darby advocated an unique doctrine known as the 'ruin of the church', by which he meant that the visible unity of the church had been permanently lost and there were no longer any bodies in existence which could claim to be true churches. This crisis ecc1esiology sets his views apart from all other ecclesiologies and this in itself is a reason why Darby's ecc1esiology needs to be re-visited by scholars. --- A Critical Examination of the Ecclesiology of John Nelson Darby By Matthew Austin Clarke page 35 So is Darby where wierwille got the idea that the church was in ruins? If the true Church, the body of Christ is in ruins then it implies that Jesus Christ let it happen as the head of the Body -- an obvious fallacy but one that supports an absent Christ and makes room for hucksters like wierwille to come marching in to straighten it all out. Its really the Hegellian Dialectic in play. Present a manufactured or fake crisis, then present the manufactured or intended outcome to said false crisis.