OldSkool

It's notable that the directors have whitewashed the 1942 promise off the record entirely...and yet they let their donating followers believe it anyway...that's hateful and indicative of base greed so they can sell classes. It doesn't stop with the fake 1942 promise either. Rosalie told me to my face before when it comes to people speculating on confidential matters then let them speculate...from her lips to my ears.

They figured out how to get around stating their assets on public filings. I havent tried too hard lately and probably will again in the future...but after I had posted the numbers here back in 2009 or so they ceased revealing those tasty little morsels...

The way international officially recognizes the faillure of the 1942 promise by scrubbing every record of it from every form of media they currently publish. Go ahead Mike --- I appreciate that you come here and help pull victor paul wierwille's past out into the light. The directors would not want this publicly discussed. Kudos Mikie!

Well, I can't accurately speak about anything concerning rosalie/donna's (or whomever else from the director/trustee household (as they call themselves)) monetary compensation because that really is some top secret type stuff. The only ones who would know are part of the group and they arent talking at the moment. Now, that doesnt mean someone wont pop along and offer better insight tha I am able. What I can accurately speak about are the changes they made moving from need base total ripoff arrangement to what was in place when I was on staff. They had to get off the need basis stuff because they were breaking a multitude of human-resource related laws with the old system. Whether those laws were in place when it didnt snow on the gas pumps in July of 1942 I dont know, but it was a problem in 2000. The way it used to be (and Im saying this for people who dont know and are reading along) you got a "pre-tithed" paycheck that was next to nothing. It basically covered toiletries, light groceries, gas, and not much else. Housing was provided, meals were provided, haircuts were provided, auto-service work was provided to a degree, etc. And they could basically make you work a butt load of hours -- in the old days staffers were basically indentured servants. If you were on staff you had no choice to accept this garbage or you would get fired. This arrangement came to a screeching halt in 99/2000. So, the way international did all they could to grudingly appear legit to anyone who cared to look. The directors were supposed to stop taking private innurements, rent was charged for housing, way styles charged for haircuts, foodservices started charging a meal package to those who wanted it, and they basically paid everyone minimum wages with 6 hours of required overtime. They called this new pay arrangement "salaried staff paid on an hourly basis" --- which was an outright contradiction in terms and a lie. What they were really doing was paying minimum wage for 40 hours and allowing 6 hours at time and a half as a way to hide that they were still dishing out peanuts for pay and they want to entice staff...so what better way than to obfuscate matters than make up contradictary statements....typical way international dishonesty. Everyone was required to put in 46 hours a week period. Each cabinet area had an overtime bank that we alloted and double time could be approved if needed...snowremoval for example...but anything over 52 hours required director approval. To be fair an individual would make better money if they had a good skill set...I had a good skill set, was actually salaried, was in the upper ecehelon of idiots and still was able to put my family on medicaid with out a hitch. Now, I don't know if TWI ever paid a pension or paid attention...haha..but I do know that they came up with a fairly cheesy and mostly useless 401k retirement plan. It was heavily tiered towards seniority so all the lifers and old timers came out ok considering the cost of living in New Knoxville. I don't know the employer/employee match ratios only that it wasnt much and was heavily tilted to take care of the directors and long serving staffers. They also came up with a PTO plan and insurance. Again PTO was heavily based on seniority...first year staffers got 40 hours of PTO and that was for anytime off...genorous no? The lame @$$ insurance plan had a $10,000 lifetime max and afterwards they would show you how to sign up for medicaid. Put it in perspective. I was a department coordinator and on the cabinet and my entire family (married couple with one child) went on medicaid without so much as a hitch. Thats how poorly we were paid after the need basis stuff went by the wayside. Now: I am completly sure that the directors take care of each other, even when they fired craig I understand he got a salary for a number of years. Im sure Rosalie, Donna, John Reynolds, Howard...Im sure they are all plugged and taken care of. The rest of us were plebes, even ones like myself who were in the upper leadership brackets, walking around with an ego the size of texas and worked half to death were still getting screwed over. Field leadership are volunteers unless you meet requirements to be paid staff. At which point you are considered paid staff and everything I noted above applies and the staff handbook would apply in full force, which means you had better protections from harassment and such. Volunteers get none of that and have no system of redress and have to just eat $h!t to remain way corps. Now, I left twi in 2008 so this is not current events. Im not sure what changes have been made, what improvements have happened. When I was on staff there was an ongoing exodus and very few people wanted to come work at HQ because word gets around that the way international largely ignores it's fiduciary responsibiities to their staff...except what they absolutely have to provide...and at that they provide the bare minimum. Maybe thats changed....my department had 18 people and within 5 years, through attrition, we were staffed with 9 people. I literally had to figure out how to get it done with half the people needed to meet requirements. I understand that staff levels are lower than when I was around and even back then they started bringing in advanced class grads to staff the advanced classes and their only compensation was meals and sitting through the class again. Perhaps with less staff they have started paying better...but I wont speculate anything along those lines because whether right, wrong, I try to avoid baselss speculation like assuming the way international will do the right thing and realize that the laborer is worthy of his hire.

Roll away roll away roll away!!!! Every burden on your roll away!!!

There is no spoon..

I always wondered what that would look like...the dog has perfectly renewed his mind to stay peaceful while his house burns...probably visualizing water...a camera offers an appropriate analogy...

K...I gotta go speak in tongues like housafire

What are my choices again?

Never had pflap...I came on board with the first round of Craig's way of abund...

Not if you got the advanced class special.

It's either in the renewal process or doing lo shontas...or both...

There's a saying that's sort of made it's rounds in Christendom that "the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed...it fits I think.

Holy Shonta! Your right and finally made it make sense so that I know that I know that I know that I know

In the way they use a composite characte to harmonize the two...

Its almost impossible to seperate the way international from it's doctrines...its who they are. I think it makes sense to move specific doctrinal topics to doctrinal, The Absent Christ for example. But this topic seems general enough to fit into a more generic category like About The Way.

Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. I think this is a great example at showing the utter failure of wierwille's research. https://biblehub.com/mark/11-22.htm Berean Literal Bible: And Jesus answering, says to them, "Have faith from God. Literal Standard Version: And Jesus answering says to them, “Have faith from God; 32 versions listed, and of the 32 only 2 versions support what wierwille says, and thats just 32 that were listed there are other versions out there besides 32. However, it's clear that from just a cursory glance that of the 32 versions listed only 2 (6.25%) agree with wierwille's theology. Even according to wierwille's own methods of letting the scripture intrepret itself, contradictory or difficult verses must be intrepreted in light of the clear verses on the subject and i would say 30 Bible versions saying mostly the same thing is clear. Im not after a majority rules approach either, just pointing out that wierwille didnt stick with what he taught others...anyone surprised? Yet Jeudes gets deeper because he actually has a real doctorate and not a fake education intended to provide fake credibility....anywho... https://biblehub.com/text/mark/11-22.htm Here's where it gets fun: From the following link: 2316 [e]θεοῦ. theou from God. -- So wierwille grabbed a cursory definition from Strongs and that's unsupported by most versions even and said: "The 'original' text read, '. . . Have the faith of God ---- OBVIOSULY the man lied through his teeth about the original text...he found what he needed from a concordance, cherry picked it and ran with the ball into oblivion. Of course Dr. Jeudes says: "However, a deeper knowledge of Koine Greek reveals that this phrase is a genitive of aim, also known as a genitive objective. As such, it does not need a preposition such as "in" (en) to be understood as "faith in God."44 Examples of other genitives of aim include Romans 3:22 and Hebrews 6:2. Similar passages where the preposition is supplied are Colossians 1:4 and Ephesians 1: 15. This misunderstanding of Greek is also part of the source of Wierwille's belief in the "faith of Jesus Christ."" I will post more later. Need to get out the door but just a basic cross check of wierwille/the way international's theological position of pistis shows SERIOUS error, and of course John Jeudes breaks it down further with nuances in Koine Greek that drop the ultimate hammer on this junk. So, when you consider wierwille's rabid support and propogation of the law of believing he needs pistis to mean what he says it means because without twisting pistis into believing wierwilles house of cards is in serious trouble of utter collapse.

Seriously?

Im gonna get back to this in a couple hours....standby.

Im almost certain that verse was purposely taken out of context and then used to amalgamate Eastern/spirtualism/occultic content into Christianity.

Theres negligible differences between rosalie and craig. I think Rosalie is faithful to Craigs ex-wife but beyond that she is just as mean...well...maybe not just as mean but mean... and cloaked in syrupy southern hospitality. She has no loyalties outside her circle and the way international.

see what ya started Waysider?

https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/20536-rosalies-retirement-plan/#comment-481250

It's murky by design. Use the search feature and lookup Rosalie's Retirement Plan.