OldSkool

And Ill bet you a dollar to a dime that wierwille, being the sexual predator he was known to be, set it up that way on purpose. He came out of a pastorate so none of this sort of thing would be a foreign concept to him. Men and women have always been attracted to one another so adultery in a congregation may not have been common place back then but Im sure there were safegaurds in place to oust leadership if need be.

Yes, thank you!!

Martindale said he had a one time, mutually consensual affair with Mrs. @llen. Obviously, he was lying about the extent of his sexual misconduct. Whether or not he had more than one encounter with Mrs. @llen I dont know, but it was the lawsuit that cracked the entire egg wide open with RICO charge and naming 40 or so individuals who worked in one capacity or another to make it happen for craiggers. Im not saying Mrs. @llen didn't share culpability in the affair, if it was indeed mutually consensual. Church leadership has a greater burden to carry in situations such as this because they should be trustworthy enough to not get caught in lustfull practices such as adultery, and when a pastor preys on the unsuspecting flock that pastor is now a sexual predator, serial adulterer. Now perhaps if I was in the congregation and had a one off affair with someone else's wife then it would be ok to say that we both shoulder the same burden of responsibility in the wrongs. But when its clergy thats a different story. Especially in this case because it was her clergy and employer. Martindale/wierwille used their positions to procure unsuspecting women for their own lusts. Just a couple of links that are nothing special but give some perspective on the subject matter outside of TWI: https://www.christianitytoday.com/women-leaders/2008/september/when-pastor-becomes-predator.html https://joemckeever.com/wp/7-sexual-lines-pastor-cross/ https://sbcvoices.com/the-pastor-and-inappropriate-interactions-with-women-in-the-church/

Nossir. His works are polluted with occultism throughout. His entire doctrinal package has to twist scripture to match the law of believing. Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

It took courage for Paul to confront craiggers....Craig had waygb show up armed no less and he Paul still wouldn't back down.

Very interesting points...the hypocrisy is glaring cause they clamor about Christ in you constantly , as if that's some kind of power lever to be unleashed to bring stuff to a person and that's called abundance...fake.

Guess Mr DippyDoo FC didnt consider wierwille a man?

I dont know. I found out about all of it from several different way corps staffers at Gunnison who were there when it happened. It was common knowledge at camp gunnison what went on in cabin 12 when martindale was there. Small staff out there and they either were in on it, or werent in on it but knew it was happening. I was so naive that the first time I was told about it I didnt believe it and thought it was a joke. The person who told me laughed and then went into detail about how they would have J@qui send select women in there to clean cabin 12 and such. In my two years at Gunnison I heard the same accounts with very little variation in the details from several folks. Not only that part but that J@qui and Martindale had a long standing thing going was also common knowledge. I cant speak for gunnison, but the indiana campus was ground zero for wife swapping and all kinds of illicit activity. I wouldnt doubt that similar stuff occured at Gunnison, I just think with smaller staff levels there would be more discretion involved. But who knows.

That her and Craig had their rondevous was basically common knowledge around the campfire, so to speak.

Rivenbark acted concerned about issues but she pretty much didnt really care unless it affected the way international. Rosalie was the one who lamented all the changes the lawsuit brought about during a cabinet meeting in 2007. She would much rather have people show up and work and goto their homebased storage units until they are needed again. She wanted no disruptions.

They were both hard-@$$es under craiggers...I always thought she was more treacherous than Ed but either way...kinda of a package deal so no use in splitting hairs...lol....Im sure they are much nicer now that they are helping run RnR.

Interesting. Craig took that same page out of VPW's playbook when they moved the corps training to Gunnison. He would arrange encounters by having Jaqui H0rn3y (and others) send in specific women to from housekeeping to to take care of Cabin 12 and cater to craig. It was well known that martindale was doing this as I first heard about it when I was in-residence at Gunnsion from 2001-2003....few years later I read the lawsuit information online and many of the people listed were at camp gunnison. Not only that it explains why the H0rn3ys were reassigned to HQ during that time. This is part of what TWI did not want on public record or coming to light for the general public.

Im thiking the doctrine did not start with martindale, but I sure heard him rant and rave about having NOTHING to do with Jesus Christ in terms of praise, conversation, any type of fellowship...craig said that was another Jesus...and from the absent one they follow I agree...except the one martindale warned against is actually found in scripture whereas the absent one is absent from scripture as well.

Not at all.

The way international doesnt like to admit that Jesus isnt absent so their theology ignores him anywhere he is mentioned as active and interatcing with his Church. They purposely change scripture to suit thier needs and replace Jesus Christ with God in their theology. Since God is the one who elevated Jesus Christ to second in command....they blantantly disobey God's command to listen carfully to whatever Jesus Christ has to say.

Is that what the meetings are bannered under?

I thought Kristin was flashed as well, but Im in the same boat as everyone else because its been a long time since I read her book.

There is no spirit/natural boundary.

Amen.

And I thought that, according to mike, that the collaterals are God breathed....so that must mean he doesn't take the Bible to seriously either..I mean obviously cause he elevates the wierwilles garbage over scripture and he just said that wierwilles garbage shoudnt be taken too seriously.

No Im not...Im saying the entire, remedial, over-simplistic concept that God can only speak to spirit is an outright lie.

Do you know who stupid this sounds? The unlimited God, God Almighty, --- With God nothing is impossible...but you are attributing folly to by stating that God by made a creation he is unable to communicate with. As if God cant just do an audible voice if he so chooses...he had a Donkey speak to Baalam...oh wait...we had this dumb@$$ conversation across several threads now.

Quit using yourself as a means to say you think we all drifted away from pflap...pflap is trash...junk food. Its sad you cant see past it...you are truly blinded by a pack of lies with enough truth sprinked to make it palatable.

Syllabus binder should make a good shield!