OldSkool

I believe this is the preferred spelling to one of their favorite snigglets.

More like retemory...lo shonta is well...made up too ..lol

I think this sort of thing is systemic in the way international. I mean wierwille set the ultimate bad example with his dog and pony show all the while shouting to Walter who was armed with a concordance to verify some Greek word during his presentations. Wierwille's greek sucked and the classes they taught us in residence sucked to the point of me declaring them epic failures. Concordances and lexicons can be helpful but the way we use them in the way international is a joke. Just as in English, any given Greek word can have multiple shades of meaning and its a somewhat complicated affair sorting out exactly which one fits the translation at hand. Yet, how many times did I grab my concordance while prepping a teaching and grab the shade of meaning that suited my purposes. Sadly I fell into the same trap as a follower of the way international that most of us did. I dont relish the memories of my time in the ditch from following bling guides but one thing I have learned for sure....Im no Greek scholar and have no business trying to re-translate the Bible. I still use concordances and such but no longer allow them to define scripture for me and no longer think I have some college level understading of Koine Greek because the $h!T bag classes taught to us at Gunnison were horribly sub-standard.

I think this is where I am inspired by Starr Daily's accounts of his life and how the Lord turned things around for him. So, with that said, I am definately not trying to cheapen his experiences at the expense of doctrinal points. Love does rule the day, and love does trump doctrinal issues. With that said, Starr definately didn't understand sin as described in Romans. Which is fine. The man said nothing wrong when he said sin was missing the mark, perhaps he needed a more thorough understanding on the subject. So he definately light pedaled repenting. Whether he did that on purpose or whether that was out of ignorance is not for me to say. What I can speak on is wierwille definately took the ball and ran with it for his own greedy lusts and gain. Wierwille entire take on sin is bogus. wierwille taught that a person only could repent once and that was at the new birth. After that you just confess your broken fellowship and change what habits are causing you to miss the mark. He also taught as long as you dont stumble somebody's believing you are basically ok to live your life as you see fit, with exceptions defined by wierwille, as long as you arent a stumbling block. Then theres the concept of walking in fellowship. With a believer doing great works whilst in fellowship and not able to do great works whilst out of fellowship. Kinda like jumping back and forth into a directed floodlight from outside its focus to being in its light...kinda goofy and unscriptural in its application. Jesus Christ taught if your eye offends you then pluck it out. Obviously the emphasis is on doing whatever it takes to not sin. Jesus Christ fought against sin with his own sacrifice as our passover that was offered for the sins of the world, though Jesus Christ was sinless. Considering the price he paid and the problems sin causes I would say it needs to be recognized, repented of, asked forgiveness from, and all in the context of a person fighting with all their might to not sin and repent when they do. Not just say Im sorry and do the same thing again tomorrow. I mean we likely all fall into that at times and that is what it is and Im not judging anybodys walk. My point is a person sees the wrong in their own lives and does all the can to eventually change and that can be a process. But the hearts cry is the same....Obviously theres more to it than that but just summarizing a few points on the topic. On the other hand you have people like wierwille who minimize sin, they rationalize it all away using grace and mercy as a cloak of covetousness. They continue on in their sins on purpose and set their own reality like a stage and invite victims to come play. Then the sin is rationalized away, yet the devastating effects of those sins are left on the victims who realize now they were played. Anywho...just some morning thoughts here...

I have a lot of respect for what AA accomplishes if an alcoholic is willing to follow along. As a recovering alcoholic I have incorporated many of these steps into my life with scripture and prayer at the root of it all. The steps they lay out are very appropriate in dealing with sin and how a persons sin has affected not only themselves, but others as well.

I never followed wierwilles instructions on speaking in tongues. Once I saw it in scripture I decided to give it a whirl. It happened instatanesously. Im more than willing to submit a sample to a language expert at any point in time. I wanna know for myself...nothing to prove to GSC.

Thats a really intersesting angle where the stage had certainly been set.

Im not aware of anything.

https://eyesupandopen.org/ Theres better sources than the link but for convenience sake...

Fair enough. And ewww so creepy....

As usual, seems they were all entwined in new thought one way or another..Im not saying that nullifies the rest of their works...just noting it for the record. https://www.truthunity.net/books/starr-daily-love-can-open-prison-doors

https://s3.amazonaws.com/truthunity/assets/books/starr-daily-love-can-open-prison-doors/starr-daily-love-can-open-prison-doors.pdf

This is actual footage...foreal real

Hi all! I was reading around a little online and decided to look into Starr Daily, since wierwille lists him as one of his early influences. I was reading his Biography, which I will leave a link below. Wierwille defined sin as "missing the mark"...I cant remember which class...anyone remember that? Im thinking foundational? Anywho. Im thinking that Daily is one of the sources that wierwille got his rationalization for sin being ok as long as you were loving God with your heart because God would then turn your sin into grace.: https://idoc.pub/documents/starr-daily-biography-m34mkx3jmzn6 (bold is quoted from Daily's Biography) "To understand sin, you have to understand the Greek word for sin. The Greek word for sin is amartia. It literally means missing the mark. The word originates from the idea of shooting an arrow into a target with a bow. The aim is meant to be on the target, but when we let go of the arrow, it misses the mark. When we sin, we miss the mark." "Even if your acts are sinful and self-focused, the moment you become aware of that and decide to act out of love, faith, humility, generosity, kindness, and a love of God, God transforms your sin into grace." Oldskools Thoughts: Is this where the lockbox doctrine originated? That your heart being right before God allows sin to be turned to grace? I mean, it's scriptural that love covers a multitude of sins...but let me say upfront I disagree with Daily and wierwille on this matter. I can agree that sin is missing the mark at times, but other times its much worse...I mean I dont consider boinking young ladies on the motorcoach missing the mark. Also, I feel that Daily's synopsis of sin is only the outward showing of the sin nature itself, which is the corruption that appearantly passes through the blood. Romans deals with sins people commit and then deals with the sin nature itself, especially in Romans 7 and then gives the solutionin Romans 8. Thoughts?

And they are both lies.

I'm considering that holy spirit as given on pentecost is not only a down payment for our redemption but also is used by Christ as the head of the body...why would God need it? I dunno...just a thought...I could be foot backwards wrong.

Thats about right....beating your kid with a wooden spoon was the word of God until the lawyers said it wasnt.

Lawyers.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Im not giving too much credence to wierwille's body,soul,spirit teachings these days. There is a difference between someone who has the spirit of Christ and someone who does not. I no longer believe that what is given in the new birth is what was lost in Eden. It's a new creation, and as such, is well....new... wierwille's teaching on spirit should be chucked. It doesn't match scripture and you have to twist scripture to make it fit.

The way international still does this sort of thing today. They make whatever claim they make and let people assume what they like to support the claims they make. More recent example: Assumed Reality: Rosalie presented a supposed kinder and gentler way international because she made comments during various corps meetings and such that this is Gawds Minustree and all that. She presented herself as a saviour of the way international of sorts, whille her and donna let LCM take the fall even while rosalie and donna were complicit. Actual Reality: During a cabinet meeting she openly lamented all of the changes they have had to make since the lawsuits happened. Assumed reality based on rosalies claims: Kinder and gentler TWI with an open door policy from a president that was actively making changes. Actual Reality: Rosalie resented the changes she had to make and only did so at the advice of legal council in order for them to keep their money and positions of power intact and lawsuit proof the way international. Many of these superficial changes are in place to this day. So...with all the dishonesty from top leadership...can anyone make a convincing argument that the assumed reality based on a few claims from rosalie is actual reality? Actual Reality: The way international has a rich history of false claims starting with wierwille, who left behind a legacy of polluted doctrines and unbiblical practices based on claims that wierwille said of himself that he was given some special job by God almighty that hadnt been completed since the first century...the way international is built on deceit. That which is crooked cannot be made straight.

Vain babblings...

If TWI hadnt done a coverup and whitewash I dont think I would be here. Had they admitted their errors and handled them honestly and openly I would respect that and would let it all die. Instead they have likely spent millions between their lawyers fees, the @llen's settlement, etc. In fact, I had already moved on with Craig after that phone hookup where he admitted he had an affair with Mrs. @llen. I found out differently once I arrived at HQ and Gunnison. Craig got fired shortly after I arrived at HQ but then I came across the coverup and realized that the problems in TWI are systemic and doctrinal as well. The entire organization is a trap.