OldSkool

Not directed at you Bolsh, but Bullshonta. Christ directs the affairs of the Church as the head of the Body and directs people as they function as ambassadors. He is vitally involved.

Stop with the reading assignments ...say what u gotta say or don't but for one I'm not going to chase your concepts and have u then twist what I say. I could care less what's in any of wierwilles writings...he's no more authority on the subject than snoopy the dog.

Nice try to establish moral superiority. You show me just one verse that says we take the place of the absent Christ.

How about nothing takes Christ's place ever. We may represent him and we may point to him but we never take his place.

Yeah they do..to this day...in their classes...word of God takes the place of the absent Christ.

Cause you are proven wrong again and again multiple times from multiple participants...when u know your wrong you scoot out the way.

Maybe u can learn to admit your error.

Mike...you are back peddling and changing your position yet again....

Last I knew they used an AS400 mainframe for such matters.

Thanks!! Cool perspective I'd never considered!

Hold the truck up...I thought God could only talk to spirit which teaches our mind. Angels are spirit beings...just how in the heck did the angel communicate to those flesh and blood men gazing into the sky?

I love this choice of words in relation to the pic my wife recently took of me waiting by the mailbox I posted...

Therein lies the problem, cmon...everyone know you HAVE to use string to arrange the chairs! I mean those few minutes before Big Bertha sits in the front row and demolishes half a row of perfectly straight chairs is nirvana... I have NEVER been anywhere or seen anyone else string chairs outside the way international. I recently setup a banquet room for a funeral Repass. Didnt string one table or chair and it looked oh so great and I wasnt the least bit disturbed when Big Bertha took out half a table when she sat down...lol They have my new address because I ordered from the bookstore recently. Im still waiting on my post card. They know exactly who I am...lol...guess I was marked and avoided for my GSC activities....Guess I shouldnt wait by the mailbox too long.

None of this aligns with the Bible. What in the actual eff is a "raw word"? I guess this means you are using scrambled words instead of raw?...lol...Words have meanings and God used languages, words, word definitions, rules of grammer, etc to reveal himself to manking using written scripture. Yes it takes study and effort but twisting words isnt a godly attribute...satan twists words not God. You telling anyone what their perspective is will always be flat wrong. You arent qualified to define or explain anothers experience when it comes to their relationship with God/Jesus Christ. Of course I expect you to retort with something along the lines of "experiences arent the word"..or whatever...I would agree with you in some circumstances but not all in this case (or most other cases with you) because you cherish the word of wierwille, not the actual Word of God. Your word salad on what God and Jesus perspective is laughable. You reject plain scripture that state what part of that perspective really looks like and instead twist words and sripture to match wierwilles laughable theology on Christ being absent. I really should have just quoted you on "This is the perspective I picked up from PFLAP" because that pretty much makes the entire post null and void. PFLAP is remedial, stolen goods. God/Jesus Christ do not employ thieves in their service and that according to scripture.

Awesome post. Helped me understand a few things better, such as hidden in relation to Christ and how it takes our effort to seek him, even though he is drawing us towards him. I think thats awesome how God worked all this out in order to bring salvation from this dying world.

Again, JAL almost always had an agenda to what he was doing. When I reached out to him after leaving the way international his main concern was me helping him lead his (then) newest ministry..The Living Truth Fellowship and when I declined his offer he put of on the team of elders anyway. To be clear, I had nothing against JAL...kinda felt bad for him in someways...in categories he was brilliant and in other categories he was blind. So he didnt simplify and deepen much of anything with me. He expected an ex-way corps ex-cabinet guy to jump in full bore and help him build his new ministry. Mike -- You too come off like you have an agenda and you have stated as much...you want people here to take PFLAP. That agenda aligns with the way international. Now if on the other hand, you would work through content when presented links and such that would be a different story...that would be a position that would make me less gaurded. Your agenda should be to lead people to Jesus Christ and if that agenda runs cross purposes to wierwilles's doctrines then ditch the doctrines that hold you back in favor of a better relationship with Jesus Christ. Its God almighty that elevated him as second in command and put all things into his hands. To say the Word of God takes the place of the absent Christ is damnable. It dishonors God and most definately Jesus Christ.

I devote those braincells to the content you post and then the slippery behavior that follows.

It really doesnt if you are seasoned. Ive been performing in front of various size crowds since I was 15. I always excelled in public speaking and have taught the STS at HQ, emceed largish events, etc. If you are insinuating that people here are paper tigers and would lose the wind out of their sails if the conversation was more personal then I would say you don't know me very well...or really at all. Ive never been one to mince words and if anything have become way more compassionate and understanding instead of brute force blunt. Which is appropriate at times... So what was this thing that you and the Apostle Paul have in common? Cause you never really said and instead babbled on about online communications, which werent AVAILABLE back in the first century....

Hold the phone....you just put you and JAL in the same category as the Apostle Paul? First off, JAL was the one who qued me in to Christ not being absent, though I had deep disagreements with many of his positions and his methods for running ministries..and such. You sure you wanna put yourself in his company? The Apostle Paul had Jesus Christ himself appear to him and he got direct revelation from Jesus Christ with the letters he authored. This is straight comedy...you looking for some type of accolades? But to put yourself in the same category as the apostle Paul would require you to ditch the absent Christ...you ready to do that?

Why not stop all the word salad and start being transparent in your communications and positions on various subjects?

I love how your using cards the correct way in helping your kids learn. They have a proper place as a learning tool, as u demonstrate.

Awesomeness!! Thanks, I really appreciate what you posted!!

Chapter two is not a parenthesis. This is your lame @$$ attempt to ditch an entire chapter so you can have the Word your way. Mike - This isnt Burger Bible or Bible King where you can have it your way. Lets take a peek at chapter two and see why you want to make it a parenthetical figure of speech that can be glossed over resuming with chapter three. Verse one sure introduces a category of people that wierwille represented to a tee: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Versus two and three hammer the point a little further: And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Verse 8 has the only legitimate parenthesis that's anywhere to be found: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) Ok...these verses really describe wierwille and the way international to the letter..' But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; Boy Mike -- Its great seeing your father in the word described in such detail...Oh wait...then we come to a verse that completely disproves God can only speak to a lesser spirit that in turn is powerful enough to teach ones fleshly mind because God cannot do that according to the lies you tell... But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb @$$ speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. Well...Mike....I can see why you would want to ditch chapter 2 as a parenthesis. If that fails you could try and say that Peter was written to a different administration, except it wasnt, but the way international teaches that it was....You cant cherry pick your way out of doctrinal error and a side note with your time on GSC is you can never say you didn't know the truth. You have been told the truth that you flatly refuse to accept and continue to try and entice people back into wierwilles bondage.

Bullshonta! What you are saying here is telling. Why dont you say the real truth? For you the collaterals provide a set of rose colored glasses you can set astride your nose in order to filter and twist the Bible into meaning what the collaterals say it means. There are no keys, just blind indoctrination into a false doctrine that twists scripture to the point you no longer have scripture...you have Christianity without Christ.

Im calling complete and utter bullshonta on this being an adversarial atmosphere for you without a very significant set of reasons. Mike, GSC is not a controlled environment and fake environment like TWI provides. Even home fellowships have no open and honest discussion on the material presented. Dissent is ostrascised, condemned and eventually shunned. Serious doctrinal discussions arent allowed either with the pat line being its in a class or collateral. You cannot function without this environment and it shows itself with your condescending attitude and veiled passive insults you hurl at those who disagree with the crap you bring to the table. Who in the aftual efffk do you think you are? You fancy yourself a teacher? Teaching is not talking down to an audience and disallowing discourse where disagreement is squashed with cultish bullying tactics. Thats what the way international calls teaching and it wont fly here. Bolshevik grew up in the ministry, which makes him more qualified than you to speak on the way international. He can also show you first hand the damage caused by the way international's doctrines cause he's here sorting out a lot of those issues, same as me. Your attitude is insulting to anyone with a rational brain. Mike -- You either cannot or will not discuss the material you present when we respond with verifiable subject matter refuting the lies your idol told while he prowled the cornfields of new knowxville. You refuse to deal with any of this and retort with indoctrination attempts in an effort to brow beat us into compliance. In the end you wind up looking like a fool because the records you leave behind, and their refutation, tell the true story: That true story is you are blinded by the works of a deceased false prophet and ravenous wolf who made merchandise of God's people and he will one day answer for that to the non-absent Jesus Christ.