OldSkool

Nah, respectfully, that's a romantascized and nostalgic point of view that doesnt match reality. Wierwille was a fraud from the beginning and you cant blame his followers for wierwille's or TWI's corruption. By their fruits ye shall know them and its all putrid fruit. What? Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the entire lump?

Yw!

YW. There really was no TWI-3. I was at HQ at the tail end of Craigs reign of terror, though I was unscathed by it. There is really no distinction between rosalie and craig, well besides the obvious. Rosalie supported craig until supporting craig likely would have meant the end of their positions and access to the coffers. Once everyhting was on the line they fired craig, basically hid him away in Toledo but paid his expenses...very dishonest but to be expected. Rosalie openly lamented in a cabinet meeting where I heard first hand that she hated all the changes they have had to make over the years. Meaning she supported the pregnancy policy, and all sorts of abusive practices that were in play under craig. There is no difference. The current board of directors may have a different flair but there really is no meaningful difference. TWI-2 came about under craig trying to distinguish himself from VPW. Just the Way it Was was a book by Mrs. Owens detailing her time around the cornfield. https://store.theway.org/store/just-the-way-it-was/ Born Again to Serve is Mrs. Wierwilles book. https://store.theway.org/store/born-again-to-serve/

Its really interesting to string the accounts of the transfiguration together with 2 Peter 1:19 and Revelation chapter 1. The accounts in the gospels foreshadow the glory that God would bestow upon Jesus Christ, 2 Peter confirm that the glory and honor bestowed on Jesus Christ was from God himself, and Revelation 1 gives a glimpse of that glory and what our Lord has been changed into. (He is no longer flesh and blood but a life giving spirit. So it is written [in Scripture], “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life]) Its quite eyeopening that scripture says in 1 John that we shall see him as he is and that we will be like him after we are gathered. Oh---hehe...all three acounts and the account in Peter show a very plain record of God audibly speaking to flesh and blood from a cloud...something wierwille said God could not do. Matthew 17:1,2 17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. Mark Chapter 9:2,3 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. Luke 9:28,29 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 2 Peter 1:17,18 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. Revelation 1:11-16 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Under rivenbark it didnt matter much. There was no research and if you read penworks book (I understand you are working on it) you will see that when they did actual research with qualified people that the results were mandated and heavily controlled by wierwille. There hasnt been any actual research at the way international in a very long time, its all a sham. When I was around they had one cabinet person who had mass responsibility in other ares working as the "research department coordinator" and the research department was part time and staffed by the department coordinator only. Due to my inside knowledge of how the various publication departments interfaced I can assuredly say that there was no research. Items that needed to be researched were promted by a query usually from way publications or presidents publications. It wasnt like they were in there trying to figure anything out. This was where the "re-search" was done. The department was used as a fact/consistency checking station if you will. Yes, the department contributed to books by helping with the developmental editing process where the material was refined and what not. However, the material was on books like Just the Way it Was, or Born Again to Serve, etc. Its all a hustle. Thats not to say that there werent various and sundry topical assignments given to the research department, such as the debt and using the research department to drum up twisted scripture support for their no debt policy instituted under craigory. Anywho. Laters.

Yessir. I'm thinking the reason mike doesn't want to discuss anything of substance when he's confronted with an opposing point of view is he wants the lies wierwille taught him to be prevalent here on GSC.

I agree. Some notable miracle supposedly performed in a foreign country where nobody can ever verify it. Then I know for a fact they used to blame the victim when the law of believing failed...with a bullshonta line like "they just didn't have the believing"....

I don't think anybody here takes Mike seriously. He uses GSC for his own agenda, which by all accounts seems to be to keep posting wierwilles garbage. Personally I only retort to show how shallow and umbilical wierwille really was...second Peter describes wierwille to the letter...eyes full of adultery... Otherwise, Mike posts pretty much all lack credibility due to Mike's refusal to discuss the material we present. He is either afraid to discuss the material or he only wants to post wierwilles one sided lies....either way his point of view cannot handle direct sunlight.

Awesome post, and I think this fits the bill. Mike's here to help us come back home...

Blah blah...word salad that runs contrary to your actions. You now refuse to discuss anything or read anything that's not worshipping wierwille. Again...your problem.

You could have just quit reading with the title... The Law of Believing is a Lie - Have faith in God!

I doubt he even existed. Who else did wierwille heal? Name one person.

Then carry on an honest discussion. At this point you can't deal with the material beyond saying that wierwille said it was so.

Careful....if u keep asking rational questions Mikes gonna have to go clean some windows...or smash atoms...or troll Facebook groups ..or something...

Go read it and quit being lazy. If wierwille was telling the truth it should hold up to scrutiny.

And that's your problem...as soon as it doesn't fit your world view you shut down...which is your problem...not mine.

So you take the mention of the lob to get off topic...ok then... https://eyesupandopen.org/

What Mike has done, and it's typical Mike, instead of dealing with the multitude of points that have already proven him wrong with his wierwillian ever shifting positions is duck-dodge-resurface later. It's his attempt to bury points he can't answer, then resurface later with lengthy word salad posts all so he can control and confuse content. Trollshonta malakas many.

Awesome!! It only took 27 years....I'm a quick learner...

Actually I already answered these questions about 2/3rds the back in the thread...probably on page 19 or so...use the search feature...I gotta go wash some windows...

Well you have to believe it will work before you can believe it will work.

It goes to show he doesnt know Jesus Christ beyond a namesake to push prayers while he focuses his own efforts pretending he is God Jr with the law of believing.

No its just that discussing anything with you is a moot point because you lack the intellectual honesty.

Cool. He's called us worse.

Mike, dont you remember in Some Dumbass Book Wierwille Wrote (SDBWW) on page 362.341? Surely you remember? It says in the pflap class as well but if you goto SDBWW it should jog your memory as it seems you have forgotten. Your not being a very good student mike.