OldSkool

No....Im shocked!!!

Jesus himself taught that not one jot or tittle will pass before God fulfills ALL of his promises....obviously Mikey is here to push buttons

If people keep sending these jack@$$es money they will have to belllleeeeeve to pay their rent...and belleeeeeve to pay their mortgage cause they sure love taking someone's money

I can play too... First Christ was SENT Next Christ was PRESENT I'm looking at the English here indicating sent and present are related

Hey, yo, Merriam-webster-mike...HOW are sent and absent related? Can u show the etymology of those words or how the relation works in some way using something besides your unqualified opinion?

I was just thinking you feel ruined..dang...I do too.....

Not so...Raf actually posted something to consider...so I slept on it before responding. Your the only one playing gotcha...your gotchasbating....

You once again provide nothing of substance. Prove me wrong from the verses I listed....you can't. Quit name dropping Raf...it's quite pathetic...really.... You notice how on Rafs post he provided reasons and logical deductions in his argument? Since your on his jock go ahead and try and emulate how he reasons....cause youve missed that entire boat...all your trying to do is stifle conversation because you disagree...

Great post. When I did my homework on the subject I was AMAZED at how many sources there are on the subject. Ill go through all the links when Im home later today. Thanks.!

I dont agree with this statement. I dont agree that Christ is absent. We used a goofy illustration of Christ being present/absent in reporting for class where I can readily admit Christ is not physically present, walking around in sandals and tunic on earth the way he was in the gospels. But I also followed up by saying that he has been changed and ascended and that ascended and absent arent synonamous. The problem you guys are having is you cant physically see him so he must be absent. I feel scripture points to a present, yet invisible Christ. If he is truly absent the we would be awaiting his return, and I understand some use that language, but scripture teaches we are awaiting his appearing. That makes sense when you check the records in the gospes where he disappeared out of people's sight. So a lot of this argument will depend on if you consider the Bible a true account on the subject, because without it we all sound crazy discussing any of this. The Bible directs us to a present Christ, one who is head of his Body. Can a living body have an absent head? “I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matt. 28:20). Jesus spoke those words to his followers after his resurrection and shortly before his ascension. He didnt say I am absent and will return later so read some Bible verses in the meantime.

Complete BS. You are living in fantasy land filled with lots of magickal thinking. The basic problem here is you don't fulfill God's promises by your believing. None of us do. We have faith in God to fulfill his Word and we take our problems to God asking in faith and respect for answers and we wait patiently to receive. The law of believing teaches an entitlement mindset where God's grace and mercy are expected, demanded, and considered a right. Such arrogance! When its life and death all you pious platitudes and bullshonta go right out the window. But you can easily sit in your controlled environment in the fantasy land provided by the way international and pretend the world is manipulated by your thoughts...you can pontificate this or that and have your little folders and dream of all things wierwille. But you know what? People have been seriously harmed by this garbage, not that you would care.

So your going to rightly divide pflap? That means pflap has only one intrepretation. Youve given at least half a dozen various intrepretations of most anything Pflap...you are talking out your...

because you were bullied by some way corps folks and now all corps are evile.

Not only searching for the truth, but Im hard pressed to be able to categorize any of their expenses as anything more than sales and self-preservation. Thats from a cabinet perspective.

FWIW It's on this website for reference as well. https://eyesupandopen.org/

Man, your situation is 2 against one thoug....watch your back.. You probably have to do preemptive attacks like me. If I dont at 16 he will try and take me out by any means necessary.

He totally exemplifies a pflap toting wayfer with all their pontificating and callous attitudes towards people.

Oh, I was blamed and I blamed myself. It all contributed to me trying to numb it out with alcohol and here I am. Thats the catch: its a false doctrine that doesnt work and when it fails, which it inevitibly will, then the person doing the believing gets the blame for his believing not being big enough. Its awful.

Yes! He's doing great. Around 5'8 and 195 and solid as a rock. He has my build, though Im much wider and heavier...thats what I get for lifting weights most of my life...

Im assuming you likely put no credence in scripture at this point? To be clear, Im not swooping by for some type of wrongly assumed moral authority to say anything in relation to your beliefs. Im gonna chew on what you posted for a while and come back around a little later. Thanks for your perspective! Now here is the difference. You agree with wierwille on this point, and thats cool because you give reasoned answers for your position and not a line of circular reasoning that ends with "its this way because wierwille said its this way." For that I am thankful! Disagreement in matters such as these can be a fun way to see other perspectives and such...anywho.

Arent you special. I spent over two years banging my head against a brick wall with the law of believing for my son's health. It doesnt work. You just admitted it but you are mind numbingly stubborn to persist in error as if you can reason error into truth.

Bull$h!t. You have no idea how badly the law of beliving utterly failed when I tried to apply it to the letter for a healing scenario in my life. There was no stone I left unturned, I had clergy involved, I mean to the letter...it fell flat. It doenst work and its false doctrine. You have no idea what I have been through and its insulting asf for you to assume I tried to help myself with that garbage and thats why it doesnt work. I put what the way international teaches to the test on the law of believing and it failed. Its witch craft and occultism and you are ok with that. Actually, Im ok that you are ok with it. I have no vested interest in how deluded you truly are on account of living and defending false doctrines. Thats on you.

Raf made some great points in his work and we arrived at nearly the same definitions independently of one another as well. What's being said on this topic is accurate.

God is not at all involved in the law of believing. As an occultic practice I would say it's antithetical to his nature. God didn't give everything in a cookie jar where only the tall can reach. God doesn't ever support or teach the strong survive...that's actually luciferian in nature as is the law of believing. The lob wassnt even popularized until the 1800s, before that it wasn't accepted in Christology. Phineas Parkhurst Quimby was the brainchild and he taught Mary Eddy Baker the founder of Christian science. The law of believing is Christian witchcraft.