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Thought it was an appropriate tie in to the law of believing...library book...and a dump truck to haul the books to the ...city...ahah...library...thought I was gonna say dump....ok...I'm abstract

Fair enough, I just thought you would want to know. No worries.

Dang...dude still reading?

You spelled hyper-bull$h!t wrong....because that all the law of believing is.

Mike - this thread was taken so seriously it's in the Entertainmen Archice...

Mike, you are practicing the occult and dont even realize it. http://www.kabbalah.info/eng/content/view/frame/4758?/eng/content/view/full/4758&main

Holy smokes, youve dragged out threads for 80 plus pages for 20 years?

Fear doesn't kill no more than believing appropriates....magical thinking...Christian witchcraft.

Grammer intreprets itself.

Complete Bullshonta! If the fake pastor teaching the class had made plain the figurative parts as he taught them then you wouldnt have had to waste 50 years of your life trying to make sense of it. He failed the teachers task and mislead on purpose.

Once again, because you name drop Raf and because you guys agree on something doesnt mean you are credible by association.

Good grief. Thats a complete contradiction in terms. Figurative language and literary devices are recognizable due to someone being educated to recognize them. Bullinger was a scholar and a likely crackpot, but a scholar none the less and Bullingers Figures of Speech in the Bible is where wierwille pulled his figures of speech from. The Bible does not intrepret itself and this is a very poignant reason why. The Bible cannot be understood by the illeterate.

Good question. If, for example, you exaggerate in a humurous way and everyone knows it's a humorous exaggeration then it's not lying because the exaggeration is known and is used a literary, or communication device. If, on the other hand, exaggeration is done in a way where those in the audience are not aware of the exeggartion then yes its lying and underhanded.

Mike: God chose languages to communicate his Will, therfore, the rules of grammer are not stupid at all but function as a safeguard in rightly dividing scripture.

My apologies Mike. I give you grief for burying a post and then do the same thing to my own post. Thats not cool. Sorry for being a jerk.

It is also very noteworthy (and seemingly less mentioned across the internet) that Phineas P. Quimby was an occultist. For example, the following link is from Truth Unity: A Fillmore Fellowship of Metaphysical Christians. https://www.truthunity.net/courses/mark-hicks/background-of-new-thought/phineas-quimby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fillmore_(Unity_Church) Fillmore was a Christian mystic. Fillmore Fellowships heavily endorse Quimby and they readily admit the occultic nature with out linking the obvious occult ties. They are renamed and these groups are rather liberal in their euphamisms. Quimby was into Mesmerism http://lightofchristtruth.com/Enl_spirituality/Mesmerism.html Again, just the tip of the iceberg. Quimby and his works are also venerated by practicing occultists (What concord does Christ have with Belial?) https://occulthealth.com/?s=Quimby The way international teaches people to practice Christian witchcraft.

No it isnt. VPW likely had a Freudian slip when he made the statemtent "It’s the Word, even if it never comes to pass" because that's not a statement of faith such as the one Jesus made in the gospels where he stated that not one jot or tittle shall pass before all is fulfilled. However, Im not here to debate the unknown and wierwille's motivations and faith are unknown at this time....well...Im talking about his true hearts intent...A lot can be discerned from his actions that arent at all favorable to the man's legacy but that's not my point. So digression aside. Shadrack, Meshack, and Abednego didnt indicate that they doubted God's promises. God had made no specific promise in the scrolls that anyone would be saved alive out of a burning fiery furnace but they simply stated they were willing martyrs in case that's what it came to. It's a rather poor comparison because S,M, and A are listed in scripture as examples of having unmoveable commitment and faith to God, where victor paul wierwille is someone who preyed on the flock. That's in scripture too and there's plenty of references to ravenous wolves and false prophets having eyes full of adultery....those would more appropriate for VPW. For wierwille to even introduce the concept "even if it never comes to pass" reeks of a faithless heart...but Im not the searcher of hearts and that's not for me to say, though it doesn't look favarouble. Mike, the law of believing caused me to have blurry lines when it comes to the promises of God. You see, you or I (or anyone else) are not the agents to bring the promises of God to pass by our believing. The law of believing introduces that sort of doubt into the promises of God because if they dont come to pass in your life the way we were taught to demand then it indicates that we lack believing to bring them to pass. One would not have enough faith in themselves to believe big enough to bring those promises to fruition. I ask ine question: Who made the promises? God! So it's God's business to bring them to pass according to the counsel of his own will: God needs no advisor and he needs no agent. However, he did choose to make us his children and he did choose to make us fellow-workers and re-create us after the image of his only begotten son and for that I am thankful. God is the object of our faith and scripture also tells us to have faith in Jesus Christ as well. We are to trust God that not one jot or tittle will pass. Once I started living this way a huge weight fell off my shoulders because I dont have to bring Gods promises to pass: I cant. I can "claim" them in the sense that I make them my own in my heart, thinking and expectation. But the agency belongs to God. I approach God with love, humility, and respect and ask in faith...I no longer approach the throne of Grace with a demanding, entitled attitude. Im not saying you are either...it's simply what we were taught by wierwille.

I want a pet Honey Badger one day, although I dont think I would be OK for very long...I love watching documentaries on those little furry critters....they can get bitten multiple times by cobras and such and just get a little woozy and still kill and eat the snake....they are lil bad @$$3s!

I dont know the context here, can you give me a brief history lesson? Thanks in advance.

Beetle Juice is one of my favorites! All of those you listed are awesome, Jackie Brown as well - he does great work playing a cocky young ATF agent...really makes the movie what it is cause hes such a typical cop.

According to scripture Jesus gave the revelation to Paul.

quit trying to bury posts with senseless BS....you wonder why people here call you a troll? I dont agree with this statement. I dont agree that Christ is absent. We used a goofy illustration of Christ being present/absent in reporting for class where I can readily admit Christ is not physically present, walking around in sandals and tunic on earth the way he was in the gospels. But I also followed up by saying that he has been changed and ascended and that ascended and absent arent synonamous. The problem you guys are having is you cant physically see him so he must be absent. I feel scripture points to a present, yet invisible Christ. If he is truly absent the we would be awaiting his return, and I understand some use that language, but scripture teaches we are awaiting his appearing. That makes sense when you check the records in the gospes where he disappeared out of people's sight. So a lot of this argument will depend on if you consider the Bible a true account on the subject, because without it we all sound crazy discussing any of this. The Bible directs us to a present Christ, one who is head of his Body. Can a living body have an absent head? “I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matt. 28:20). Jesus spoke those words to his followers after his resurrection and shortly before his ascension. He didnt say I am absent and will return later so read some Bible verses in the meantime.

Brother, don't let anybody dumb you down to their level. I find your posts informative, educational, and supported by copious references from various fields and disciplines. Reasoned debate should be along the lines of your posts. I tend to be a bit more terse mostly because most trollish posts can be summarized to a few salient points with out all the salad and the response can be minimal. I choose that method, but please don't stop being you and keep the information coming.

@Mike There is absolutely no corelation between absent and sent. They aren't even derived from the same languages. I see your research skills are on par with wierwille at least, remedial. Absent https://www.etymonline.com/word/absent absent (adj.) "not present, not in a certain place" (of persons), "non-existent" (of things), late 14c., from Old French absent, ausent "absent" and directly from Latin absentem (nominative absens), present participle of abesse "be away from, be absent," from assimilated form of ab "off, away from" (see ab-) + esse "to be" (from PIE root *es- "to be"). Related: Absently; absentness. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sent sent 1 of 2 Synonyms of sent past tense and past participle of SEND https://www.etymonline.com/word/send send (v.) Middle English senden, from Old English sendan "dispatch (as a messenger, on an errand); order or cause to go or pass (from one place to another);" also "send forth, emit; throw, propel, cause to be delivered or conveyed." This is reconstructed to be from Proto-Germanic *sond- "make to go" (source also of Old Saxon sendian, Old Norse senda, Old Frisian senda, Middle Low German and Middle Dutch senden, Dutch zenden, German senden, Gothic sandjan), causative form of *sinþan "to go, journey" (source of Old English sið "way, journey," Old Norse sinn, Gothic sinþs "going, walk, time"). This in turn is from the PIE root *sent- "to head for, go" (source also of Lithuanian siųsti "send"), for which see sense (n.). For the linguistic connection of "go" and "sense," compare German sinnen (past tense sann) "go over in the mind, review, reflect upon." The meaning cause (someone) to go into some specified state (send to sleep, etc.) is by 1831. The slang sense of "to transport with emotion, delight" is by 1932, in American English jazz slang. To send word "transmit or dispatch a message" (to someone) is from c. 1200. To send for "summon, send a message or messenger for" is by late 14c.