OldSkool

You can lump me in with Mike on this one because I believe we do have God's Word...I also lack emotional intelligence, etc because I stake my life in scripture and my all is God and his Son Jesus Christ.

Nah, Im bowing out before the cycle continues. Thanks for the reminder, nobody enjoys reading these twisted lengthy threads.

Im a grad of every class they offered as of 2008 and am a way corps grad and went way disciple not once but twice....Im not drifting away from anything. Ive compared wierwilles words to scripture and they don't fit. That wierwille made them fit doesn't make it so. So when Im attempting to discuss these details with you so you could verify what Im telling you, you shut down and hardly ever consider what others are saying to you. Its your loss really but it sucks becuase you seem to be a good, well intentioned person, and I truly believe you love God the way you understand him.

Maybe you think that you know that you know that you know and consider yourself an expert on God....humility...God resists the proud.

Fantasy land.

You don't know what I think and I don't know what you've looked at.

YW! And me too...Im eager to hear your conclusions...

Well, I cant say foer certain where mike's confusion came into play but I think it's when he tried to apply loving God by keeping his commandments to loving people by doing their will and word. An extremely inaccurate comparison. Scripture states that to love God we keep his commandments...thats plain enough...but that doesn't apply to people in the same manner as was stated earlier. So is obedience love? When it come to God yes, but not people always. We ought to obey God rather than men. But we are to submit ourselves one to another so it can apply but not in a blanket statement sort of way. But obedience is about respect and honor. Love is something else, is it not? Obedience respect and honor all go into loving God and keepong his will. Love can be something else, I.E. loving my wife. Thats an emotional love but carries a desire to make her happy and give my all for her benefit happiness. So thats definately different from loving God. So there seems to be some overlap here as stated earlier. Does love fear reprisal? Scripture states that there is no fear in love but perfect love casteth out fear, so theres that. Im not sure love would fear reprisal because I wouldnt violate someone else by carrying out actions that would cause reprisal. At least not if I loved them. I guess....were getting into areas where Im a little murky on answers and thats good cause it's making me think...you can lead a horticulture but you cant make her think...oh oops...lol Does love expect reward? I dont think it does, though recipricol actions may be appropriate. But when I give money to those in need I NEVER expect personal gain or benefit. But perhaps there are times where that's appropriate?

The way international relegates the love of God to table etiquette...so yes, this is a healthy discussion for anyone ever involved in the way international and has been deeply affected by their practices, like me.

I take it from Mike shutting completely down that he is here to lecture us on the merits of flappy and only wants us to return under the yoke of bondage inherent in anything wierwille. So when relevant information is introduced he can't look at it and won't discuss it because wierwille didn't verify the material....anywho...sad really...

May I coordinate refreshments?

How else can it be decided who can buy or sell unless its totally controlled?

Hebrew 1:1,2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Mike, it says that God has spoken in divers manners. Divers literally means "different kinds." https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/divers?q=divers So, while I am in awe of the AV1611 and other Textus Receptus Bibles, such as Geneva, Matthews, Tyndale, et. al., and while I believe the Bible covers the gamut on salvation and knowing what it is God wants us to understand, it is NOT the end of the story and God HAS not limited himself to communicating to his creation via the Bible. In fact, there are fake Bibles, there are books that Martin Luther removed from the Prostetant Canon that shouldnt have been removed. The First Book of Enoch is missing and is directly quoted by Jesus Christ in the Gospels and in the book of Jude. Jasher and Jubilees are both referenced to give further insight on the historical details those books give. The Bible is not an exhaustive collection of every book (scroll, papyri, stone tablets, whatever) of scripture ever written. Some books have been lost. There are many Biblical Canons all over the earth and the books vary significantly. So to limit God to a book that men produced and say because it contains scripture that "THE BIBLE" is the end all be all is a serious misunderstanding of God and how he works. BTW - You are imagining people in the Old Testament times framing scripture posters on their walls and such. Do you not understand the Mosaic Laws and the details they were to live under? Everything about them was to remind them of God and praise and worship his holy name. Their wardrobe, their feasts and celebrations, days and times of the year, weekly Sabbath, etc. While I can't authoratatively say that Moses didn't have a ministry theme poster on his tent walls I think I can pretty much guess it didnt happen and you are simply daydreaming to make your point.

Sad. Your definition of love is some regurgitated wierwille stuff...a man who knew so much about love he was a serial adulterer, sexual predator and his wife is quoted as saying at his graveside that "he was a mean man". Your just repeating what youve heard with little depth there mike. Sad really.

Oh yeah...and he reminded us that hes a grease spot superstar with so many followers to respond to ....

Mike....did you?

Just sounds .... welll....narcissistic....

Way to go, now hes gonna read it to say I told ya so....jk mike....

Of course it is...you were asked relevant questions that you couldn't answer, so you became critical and now your shutting down. I've dealt with the same issues and it's from cult related damage....you should look into it.

Not finished, it's just that your the only one painting

Gloating in an assumed victory? Your true colors are showing. Nobody's even painting.

Yeah, makes sense...good catch. Expect? No, my expectations are pretty low. Whenever anyone asks mike a question that doesn't fit his narrative he ignores it...so...I expect more of the same really...but hey...he has a chance to at least...

Just admit you don't have very much experience loving people and for you its all an intellectual pursuit where you pontificate this or that....all you doing is quoting scripture with little depth and scope behind the quotes...Its to be expected becacuse that was wierwille as well and you idolize him. Your arguments are not convincing at all and trying to take everything back to the Bible isn't working out to well for you. The Bible is a collection of books. Those books within the Bible's covers may or may not be scripture. You think God made Bibles? Its a sleight of hand to control who reads what...while the KJV Bible is fine and I use it daily it's not the end all be all. Not all scripture is within it's covers. More exhaustive canons contain books that are not scripture but are within the same binding.....dont you see? God is no bound within the pages of a Bible because its a man made construct and God is not limited in any fashion, though you frequently try and limitl the unlimited God.

Interesting really. I feel she offers a bit of wisdom here because love is cultivated. And I don't think it's necessarily a stand alone emotion, I mean which of them are? So would it be correct to say that love is cultivated and grows in a trusting environment with proper boundaries, where encouraging words are spoken and not ridicule? I mention ridicule because I grew up with a lot of ridicule even though it was disguised as humor. So trust, kindness, respect, acceftion...perhaps all of them come to play in cultivating love....just thinking on my keyboard here....havent thought about these things in some time now...

And Jesus did that on purpose....so is he unloving?...Mike...?