OldSkool

Rest assured that once you get to know her well enough to see her true colors she is even more repulsive in person.

JeffSjo, you have some great points. Along these same lines, and not to veer too far from Monavie, Rosalie has a long and sordid history of sending staff that get too uppity to the grounds department for some manual labor. These temporary reassignments usually come with instructions via cabinet to department coordinator to "work em hard, and put em away wet." Well, I would be remiss if I did not say who the cabinet person was who ushered in Monavie - John Linder. Everyone at HQ knew, and incidentally, he received no punishment assignments, although I understand he took a lot of heat from Rosalie.

Right on!

Ironic indeed! Brig Hart, of Amway fame (also see Quixstar litigation), is a key player in Mona-Vie.

ROFLMAO!!!!! :eusa_clap: You know, considering the feigned interest in keeping the way international's flock healthy - especially the way corps, it was interesting to see Rosalie lead a crusade against a health product.

I have been meaning to post this for a while. When I was at HQ one of the cabinet folks started selling Mona-Vie. The person really believed that it was an effective, healing, juice that could do wonders for folks. For those unfamiliar, Mona-Vie is an Acai berry juice that is set up as a multi-level marketing sales plan. I can't really say that the juice is good or worthless, I suppose it could help some folks. Anyway, this stuff spread all throughout the way of the usa. Well, of course Rosalie eventually caught wind of it and made it her personal battle to go after this evil juice and marketing plan. She even went so far as to have Gary Frederick present a newly adopted ethical statement that denounced this sort of thing by the way corps as a conflict of interest since the way corps should have people's best interest at heart and not see them as potential marketing partners. She managed to divide those who were against Mona-Vie and the pro Mona-Vie people. It was pretty nasty. Of course many at the way international in recent years, much to the chagrin of Rosalie and others, have used the law to back the old bag off when she starts showing her gnarly teeth. Most of them refrained from selling to HQ staff and kept it to themselves but continued to sell it. Some of these same people refused to back down when confronted and received punishment assignments being sent on the field to start fellowships. I thought I would throw this out there for discussion: 1. We can really see the desperation of the financially strapped long time staffers who are feeling the economic strain of committing their lives to the way international 2. Is the so called "conflict of interest" rooted in competition presented by Mona-Vie's marketing plan with the way international's marketing plan, contained in the vision and direction document? 3. Does the way international engineer financial hardship in their long time way corps, staffers lives to enforce another layer of control? 4. I'm sure there is more, so let's work this one a little. Cheers, OldSkool

OMG!! Is this the GreaseSpot version of the "Never Again List?"

It really tends to take a quasi-chicken and egg turn. I suppose one could also say that the parts that comprise an automobile are not a car.

Yep. Looking back, I now cringe at all of the references where it was taught that in the Book of Acts Jerusalem was their Headquarters....AHHHHHH!!!!!

I guess of the list, only two couldn't be considered mainstream. Seventh Day Adventist like Saturday's and I'm not sure who else out there believes the dead are dead until resurrection, but given Wierwille seemed to lack the ability for original thoughts, I would say that there are others. Douchier. And with tights and a rainbow colored headband. And he was doing the seed lady.->>>> Here the poster is calling Martindale a bigger douche than Koresh, and poking fun at King Douche when he starred in athletes of the spirit. Apparently, he was boinking his co-star, the seed lady....ROFL!

Great thoughts, thanks for posting them. You got me thinking and I think you are right on the money. We can take Romans 15:4 and talk about the Old Testament being for our learning and completely skip the fact that people in "Bible times" didn't have an Old Testament laying around the house. They learned from oral tradition and also from going to the Synagogue, Temple, etc. By the time Timothy was penned Paul was writing to a man who lived in the gentile world and was half Jewish and half Greek, so no doubt there was some form of doctrines passed along to Timothy and other. Doctrines that would likely have been Old Testament based, but not from the Old Testament that we have in hand. We see this in Acts where Paul (and others) preached Christ crucified, risen, and ascended. So just from my half a$$ history presentation , we can accurately say doctrines. Corinthians, even though in another context, admits that everyone has a doctrine. Do we take it for granted that it's likely that from Synagogue to Synagogue there would have been different Doctrines? (Sadducees, Pharisees, Zealots, who knows who else?) So there are doctrines and from what I can surmise there were and are many doctrines. Which is where today's bible categorizes. Also, you can take many words in the Bible and have doctrine based on their definition alone. Many churches have named themselves based on these definitions and for all I know there are likely denominations based on the same. Thanks for posting, you helped jar me out of my way brained, tunnel vision that looks at the bible from a corn field preacher's perspective which, in spite of claims to the contrary, viewed the bible through a narrow and jumbled criteria.

I had one Way Corps person contact me via facebook around a year after I left with a short note the said "so.......how's things going?" I responded with a picture of my family and then told them some of the many good things going on in my life. They never responded. It reminded me that even though they may appear nice, the underlying motivation is still the same. After all, if I'm outside the household then God's protection is gone from me. And if they love me anyway I may just come back....ROFL!! NEVER. I would sooner feed my right arm to wild dogs then go back into that cult with all their brain washing, bondage techniques.

Looks like most of the doctrinal beliefs are pretty common with most of Christianity. However, the similarities in practice sent a shiver up my spine.

Ya, WordWolf pretty much nailed it down. The Way International does have one individual who is paid to surf Grease Spot and report to Rosalie, sometimes even printing off posts and such since she doesn't keep a computer in her office. So rest assured anything you say can and will be used against you...lol...I tell you what search the forums for WayGB to see what I mean. I wish you all the best toasting their butts in court James Trimm.

So true. Great points!

I think what is notable about David is that he was as screwed up as the rest of us (if not more so) and in-spite of his evil deeds, he did all he was able to obey God. Now, in contrast we have men like Wierwille and Martindale who are self professed "Man of God", demigods who justify their evil and persist in it secretly for many years and could care less of their hypocrisy and are calloused to the damage done to their victims.

Yes. They define the word of God as the only true standard. They do say that versions of the bible are subject to being rightly divided. But to say that words are not doctrine would be the same as saying that the individual hairs on my head are not hair. My lord, how many times did we grab a concordance and look at the shades of meaning to get the "deeper" nuances of a word? The entire time I was in the way international the word of God was emphasized as doctrine. The word, the word, and nothing but the word. So, if it's really not doctrine then it stands to reason that the only doctrine to the way international is what they authorize by their own interpretation as true biblical principle. I would love to see the results of the way international teaching this at a service and subsequent fellowships. They would lose folks left and right. I am sure they count on the sheep remaining blissfully uninformed. Notwithstanding, and pardon me for not citing references, what about all the verses in the bible that refer to it's contents as doctrine? I mean if we are really going to let the bible interpret itself we would have to acknowledge the many places where the bible (and by reason the words that comprise the bible) cites itself as doctrine. Egads, don't even get me started on what they teach, that taken from E.W. Bullinger, on how the bible interprets itself. I mean they explicitly talk about the importance of words, their biblical definition and usage, their remote and immediate context, etc. So to follow their logic, words in the bible have no inherent value as doctrine until someone gives the interpretation via "principle." Good grief, I feel like I'm playing three card monte, this is a shell game to me.

Given that The Way International has now officially pulled a total 180 in court that pretty much disregards all that they currently teach about the Word of God being doctrine. I have one question. Does anyone expect better from a group that slithered their way out from under RICO charges? I guess to these dirt bags the end justifies the means.

Egads.

Rise and Expansion was a horrible read. It was really classic LCM - disjointed and all over the road. As for plagiarizing, it would seem he did just that. I remember the Sphinx teaching/bit he did and I believe he did claim that was new. I didn't realize that it's in Bullinger. I wonder if it's been removed from the new class that Rosie put together. Martindale has pretty much been erased from the annals of TWI as much as possible.

It's all pretty much shunned in the way ministry II. Maybe it's from LCM's fire and brim stone, or may be not. But now a-days none of that is encouraged.

It just goes to show ya that some stay around to avoid coping with life. I guess they call that being focused on spiritual matters...lol...

That thing was such a farce. And whatever happened to being in the promised land of the prevailing word? Where things would happen so much easier and things would be so much more abundant for those who had stayed faithful and crossed over? Garbage. Then there were the comparisons to those who had left the ministry to being the same as those who had perished in the wilderness back in Moses day. Those forbidden to cross the Jordan. More garbage.

LCM's "teaching style" was akin to a middle school football coach yelling at the team. As for him saying that Eve, the Devil (coming into concretion as a beautiful woman), and Adam had a threesome; I think that can be summed up as him wishing he was invited to Donna and Rosalie's sessions. Obviously, Rosalie is the devil in this scenario and he would just pretend she was a beautiful woman.

It's a beautiful thing.