OldSkool

Sad but true.

Let's be clear. Im havent experienced a scarcity of miracles. That sounds like your experiences.

I used to see things similar to mike, in that everything had to filter through wierwille's doctrines. When I stopped trying to prop up false doctrines is where I began to understand some of the things Ive explained...I didnt come up with the concepts either. Most everything I said above is straight out the Bible.

Sir, I understand fully...my life runs along these lines in a manner unique to me. There is no reason ever to put a man-made organization between myself and God, ever again.

Thanks for sharing that your life, I am very inspired. Considering your above quote its of note that when the Bella incident happened I was a cop out corps grad that God would never help, according to the way's doctrines....same with your scenarios Skyrider. Its of note you hadnt been speaking in tongues like a housa fire all those years leading up to....yeah....exactly. God's miracoulous goodness given to the lowly, bruised and broken.

I want to point out a few items in this regard: The way international basically teaches us that miracles happen by OUR OPERATION of the gift of holy spirit and we have been given all the exousia and a few other Greek words to make it happen. Law of believing comes to mind here as well also, the concept that God endowed us with sonship rights and God has already given us everything and all we have to do is claim it. I tried EVERY bit of this non-sense to the letter and it all fell flat. I had several hot shot clergy guys involved as well and we were all doing it all together with our like minded believing and all. Name it and claim it. It all fell flat. None of it worked, and the directors know it doesnt work. I tried to get John Rupp to even pray for my son and he held him in hand, looked at him dumbfounded and handed him back to me without so much as a thank you Father coming from his lips. At the top levels of the way international miracles are scarce, within the way international miracles are scarce. I can acknowledge that. But...Ive learned quite a few things since then....In no order of importance: - Quit demanding God do anything. God resists the proud, and well, God is God. We may not understand everything but we stay faithful in our trust that God will meet our needs above and beyond anything we could ask or think and we should approach God with a repectful mindset, not a demanding one. We should ASK in faith, not demand in faith. Does that mean if we are frustrated and go in prayer we cant ask for clarification of pour out our hearts? No. Sometimes pouring our our hearts to God unloads a lot of unpleasantness, but like David, we should pour out the good, bad, and the ugly and get back to asking respectfully. - Understand that God has not already given everything, but in scripture many times things are stated as if they are already past. By his stripes we were healed...but take a look at our corrupted bodies and you will see plenty things wrong. So, obviously, its figurative with the emphasis placed on the absolute nature of an extremely certain future where God will wipe away all tears, sickness, death, etc. So instead of trying to find a cookie jar goto God and ASK for what you need. Ask in faith, nothing wavering. - We do not make miracles happen of our own volition and we do not do it on demand. That's a huge error. We should ask that God/Christ grant miracles to be done by our hands, not demand it happen and get mad when it doesnt, because demanding anything from God is a great way to make sure it doesn't happen. Ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened. - Our society is schooled to not accept the suprenatural, but to rationalize it all away. God is a God of miracles and he made what is natural as well as the super natural. A faithf based perspective is helpful. Im not talking about rose colored glasses, I tossed my pair when I left TWI. Im not talking about taking a course of anti-biotics and calling it a miracle: thats denial. Im talking about having an open enough mind to recognize a miracle when it happens and let that build one's trust in the Father. Silly example and it involved nothing on my part: Right at the height and the worst of my alcoholism and depression and such, back in 2017/2018 my wife decided to get us a Pomeranian. Mainly for me because she knew it would help, she works with the mentally ill and knows first hand how animals can help people heal and do better and at the time I was mentall ill. I am VERY attached to this dog, to this day. Well, when she was around 8 months old something completely crazy happened. At the time I lived on a very busy street that was also a bus route for multiple lines. I was sitting on my porch after work and had the dog outside in the front yard. Well, Bella took off running into the street because she wanted to cross and lick the neighbors to death, except she ran directly under a moving bus. It took and entire house length for the bus to come to a complete stop down the street completely in front of my neighbors house on the right. Bella came running out from under the bus at the exact same spot she ran under it except an entire lots lenght down the street. She was yelping and I thought she was injured. I ran over to her as she was running full speed to me. When I picked her up she had not so much as a scratch and not so much as a speck of dirt on her and her fur wasnt even out of place. So my dog literally ran under a moving bus and didnt even have her fur ruffled. There is no logical, natural explanation for what happened or why she wasnt mangled because she was too big to fit under the bus in the first place without getting mangled by the undercarriage of the bus. With me being suicidal at the time who knows how I would have reacted to my little furry friend getting mangled in front of my eyes by a city bus. It's absolutely impossible what happened. There is no "logical" explanation. That was a clear cut miracle in my life that was granted without me asking, and it was granted at a time when I was a really sick individual. Yet, God stepped in and somehow saved my dog. Ive tried to explain it away so many times and so many ways. Im not embellishing one iota of the story either. if anything Im still talking it down because its mind blowing. There have been numerous miracles in my life since then. Maintaining a relationship with God/Christ is how miracles come about, except I let them figure out how to bring them to pass and if it involves me then so be it, if it doesnt then cool...I have one more thing to be thankful for.

Who ever said miracles are scarce? They may be scarce in an individual's life or even perspective if one is to rationalize them away. God has noore stopped miracles than he has stopped the sun from rising. Lack of miracles in ones life can also generate from a lack of relational faith in Christ.

The Jesus pic you posted is humorous as well as the many other European versions of Jesus. However, Middle Easterners are considered Caucasian with some African admixture. So in reality it's hard to say if Christ had more African features or if he favored caucasians or if there was a nice middle-eastern brown skinned thing going.

Cool, thanks for the update!!

Thanks! There's times I consider moving on from GSC and am them reminded by a post like yours that there are people who read along and benefit from our content.

Yessir, great tie-in.

I dunno, I just finished belly laughing at your responses and Bolsh obviously being a knucklehead. This $!i7 has mass entertainment value.

You just aptly described how MLM pyramid schemes collapse. The ones at the top are supposed to prosper on the backs of those who give. When they stop giving it all implodes. Also, it's a reflection of EXTREMELY poor loeadership and that's the directors.

YW, one of the RnR guys told me over in Indy back in 2019 or late 2018. He was in the know so the info is credible.

Thanks! Sounds like I will likely skip the video..I appreciate the heads up.

Yes! He was supposed to teach the sunday teaching service and arrived at HQ from Florida Thursday as usual for out of town teachers. Friday, he met with Rosalie and told her that God had told him she needed to turn over the way international to him because God wanted him to lead the way international. Bum's rush ensued. He wasnt around long enough to teach on Sunday.

Appearantly, those concerns were well founded in reality. They didn't stop using donations for personal reasons until 2003 or so. Then it only occured under threat of legal action. Meaning, if you guys keep doing this stuff your gonna get sued...says their lawyers... Even then the cessation was somewhat questionable and obviously a dog and pony show. I used to have to bill Rosalie for work the ground department did at Foxhaven, her off-grounds home with the generator and swimming pool. I was told what to charge and it was pennies on the actual dollar compared to the work that was completed. It was just to say that there were no private innurements currently happening....(It was common knowledge and very well known that wierwille and the trustees lived lavishly on donations including their spouses.) Yet, I know full well that department and cabinet guys were putting personal items on petty cash accounts and pretending the item(s) were related to their job somehow. Anywho, they operate all legal like, even if how they operated has two faces..the public and private...but thats not exactly new either.

I didn't watch the video but if they are saying we are still supposed to tithe then that's incorrect. Tithing was for the Levites, we aren't under Mosaic law so we are simply instructed to give as we purpose in our hearts and to give cheerfully, not of necessity, or compulsion in other words.

Its so far off the Word of God that it isn't the Word of God. It's the word of VP.

https://www.equip.org/articles/infiltrated-recognizing-and-responding-to-occultism-in-your-church/

That could prove difficult....

Ahh! But does it know that it knows that it knows?

Yeah, it's like being disarmed and left vulnerable.

Believing isn't a law either. I'm happy to see that fear not being a law is listed.

Similarities in the secular world, self-help style, MLM cults. Napoleon Hill is a notable mention in the video. It's of note that my entire time I was in TWI there was always, and I mean always, someone pushing some MLM scheme besides the way international. Shaklee, Amway, Mona-Vie, etc,. Also, I can remember distinctly many, many way corps were really into the self help stuff, such as The Law of Attraction. That was actually one of waygb studies when I knew him and hes the one who introduced Mona-vie to HQ, but....Im rambling....