OldSkool

No self respecting way corpse person would need more than that, and should be able to do on less. Jesus had times where he was up all night praying! I forgot to mention vigilance patrol, where two students were assigned to go roam the campus from 11 pm to 1am and still be up at O'dark hundred to get in the word before breakfast.

For you to come along and tell me to get over is just cold. You have no idea what I have been through, what I am over, or not over, nor my intentions for posting. But from my perspective it sounds like typical way speak. Perhaps you sense a little weakness or vulnerability in my openness? Couldn't resist the urge to swing by and kick a person who seems to be down?

Really, you should not drop partial quotes. However, let me clarify myself. 1) Journal. Can be a great thing to do. But when you are up at 12:30 at night with nothing to say cause you are to tired to think - but you must keep writing - then it grinds on a person after a couple of years. 2) I floss most everyday. My complaint is being required to mark a checklist keeping track of my oral hygiene habits that was posted on a public bulletin board for all to see. 3) Workout. Have done this for years. Weight lifter, boxer, ju-jutsu, bicycling, hiking, etc. Please re-read in spite of the fact that the day starts early and ends late. Again, it really begins to gind a person down after a while, especially in the context of the in-residence way corpse training program. Jesus Christ had programs? Really? You mean to say he had a staff, collected tuition, issued certificates of completion?...or do you mean to say he gave instructions for various purposes?

Indeed. Makes you wonder how many people take that fear to heart and live in it's bondage.

Well, I had a collection of ebooks, mp3s, short XXX video clips, many movies on DVD, I spent whatever I wanted offgrounds, drank often, and hoped to God that someone from the way credit union would report my monthly credit payments to the directors so I could sue their a$$e$. I'm a rebellious fighter at heart. I wanted to do the program but could not justify it from the Bible. So I gave appearances where needed. Yep, hypocritical as all get out. But I thought I could change the way ministry into something better. Delusions of grandeur. Funny how all these leaders have this great in-depth spiritual perception and no one could figure it out. I mean, wouldn't God have told them?

It's probably safe to say you would need a "sponsor" to get you in w/o hassle. If you were allowed in Safety would watch you like a hawk.

I had never thought about that. But you are right and I know exactly the mold you are talking about. A person can repudiate it while they are there, yet they will be touched by the training for years to come. Thanks! Yes, I can breathe again.

I thought I would post a little of what being in-residence is like in the "kinder and gentler" way international. I spent two years at camp gunnison and it's been a few years, so understandably the program will have been modified a bit since it's conducted at HQ now. Well, in hindsight the biggest thing that stands out is the total control exerted over the student. Now, granted a person could leave, but that would be quitting on God and the household. What do I mean by control? well - you cannot leave grounds without permission and when you are allowed to leave it's only for a few hours on a Saturday. When you are off grounds it's generally understood that you are to do a little shopping, perhaps do something fun?...but what can you do on $30.00 a month..(I think this was raised to $50.00.) Usually, the first 8 weeks or so you are not allowed to leave grounds at all. You are kept isolated very isolated from anyone outside the program, even the staff. You are not allowed to watch tv, movies, listen to any music except spayed productions. Your day is scheduled so tightly that there is very little time to telephone family and friends. If you are sick you are expected to contact healing support, which is usually the way corpse coordinators wife, so they can decide what to do with you. You are not allowed secular reading. It is total immersion in way ministry publications and media and complete submission to what they want you to do - 24 hours a day. I felt as though I was incarcerated and my own bondage to the way international was the warden. In hind sight I should have run far away from this programming scheme. Now, the curriculum is a complete farce. We spent several months taking the way of abundance and power series, studying the syllabus, being tested on the material, discussing the material in our study groups. The discussions were not critical in anyway but the typical "we worship our dear leader" talk about how the material blessed me. It's the same garbage fostered in a follower of the way international since their first foundational class. Except in-residence it's on steroids. Some other classes are English for the Greek Student, Greek, Public Speaking, Class Coordinator's training, and whatever else is rotated into the mix to fill up the time. But let me stress this - at no point is a student actually educated at a college level. It is all very elementary. Yet, they bill it as the greatest training in the world. P.T. Barnum would be proud. In reality they are training a person to run the way of abundance and power classes and that's about it. The program itself is still according to work / study. The premise is you spend time in study hall working the present truth, or other assigned topics. You have to make, and turn in a study schedule and work silly little exercises like "Ask yourself why one more time." Yes - you have to ask yourself why you are studying a topic multiple times until you REALLY know why you are doing it. It's billed as critical thinking but it is anything but. Most of what a person studies is the Sunday Teaching Services, Way Magazines, and any of the way ministries other approved books. Let me stress approved material. You are not free for God to lead you in study. It's expected that what is approved is what God wants you to know. Creepy eh? Then you are off to work. Really it should be emphasized at this point that at no time is a student paid for their labor. Period - end of story. A person is usually assigned to one of the drab, menial labor departments that spiritualizes mundane chores such as toilet cleaning. There are special work projects throughout the year that come and go but nothing to deviate from being the way internationals slave labor force. The underlying principal of work / study is God will teach you as you apply what you learn in study as you work. In addition to these departmental jobs a person is also assigned "household responsibilities" where they can do ....you guessed it.....more of the same type of work in support of the service, or some other event. Well, other hallmarks of this awful program are being forced to keep a journal, floss your teeth and then check a chart that you did so, check in with your fellowship coordinator that you have completed various tasks (the fellowship coordinator is one of your peers who collects information and reports to the way corpse coordinator each week), being forced to work out in spite of the fact that most days start early and end late. Do Knowles Breathing. I am sure there is more but I just can't remember at the moment. I have managed to repress many of these memories and it is somewhat painful to start digging too many of them out of the closet. Well, really this scratches the surface a little bit and at least gives a glimpse of what a person is subjected to. I will keep things short. I think we all get the gist. It is an extremely structured schedule, the students and their environment is completely controlled - total submission is absolutely required. You don't like it you can leave. If you don't cut the muster you will be dismissed and your sponsorship, that was donated on your behalf, is spent elsewhere to support the curriculum. In short, I believe a person is programmed to accept whatever the way international asks of them during these two years. In retrospect it was a farce, and two utterly wasted years that I have absolutely nothing to show. The degree they issue you isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The training itself is absolutely meaningless outside of the little cornfield cult that is the way international. And all of this control and legalism is what is heaped on a well meaning person who has made the mistake in thinking that God has called them to the way corpse. There is absolutely no way God would call someone to that sort of indoctrination and control. It's not training for a lifetime of Christian service. On the contrary it's training for a life time of blind obedience and demolition of one's ability to exercise any sort of critical thinking. Now - here is a link to the official propaganda page. Notice how generic the wording is. The real program is totally obscured. Way Corpse Propaganda

Well, that sure is a good questions. When I read my notes at a service I taught....this is what the audience looked like....

Well, the short version...Megalomania. To expand a bit, if something isn't going the way Rosalie is "believing" it should go, then it is someone else's fault. Just start with the cabinet and work your way down. Play whack-a-mole with any dissenters and then you will have all that nasty unbelief cleared out. It's that simple and that egotistical. Your summation is so true and so honest. Thanks!

WTF - do people who are intent on abusing well intentioned Christians share a common play book on how to run a multi-level-marketing cult? Is this Victor Paul Wierwille's legacy? or did he learn from someone else? Is the CIA involved? Illuminati? Da debil? Please explain. :unsure:

Yes, do tell!

You're welcome!

Well, the stock market, No! But...the way international's 401k - that's alright. Hate to tell them all that 401k lingo is just saying the money is invested in stocks under the umbrella of a "fund." Above and beyond that, Fr3d3er1ck invests the way international's dough. I don't know into what or for how long, only that that is one of his duties. So in a nutshell, they follow their own advice when it is profitable (used way speak on purpose) to them, otherwise, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

It would interesting to review the microfilms that don't show on the website. In 1996 all the way corpse were full time for many months. I would bet a dollar to a dime that their assets were decimated and are just starting to make a small recovery over these many years. Plus, they have G@ry Fr3d3r1ck investing their money. He seems to know how to turn a dollar. In other words I would venture to say that a lot of their year on year earnings are less related to abundant sharing than to investment income. But that's just my best guess.

I know these are rhetorical, but I thought you would get a kick out of this. The staff numbers are so low and so few people come to a STS of their own accord that they could barely fill the first three rows, in the center section. Solution? Now, they schedule branch, limb, and region visits. They bring in people by the bus load. The ironic part is they still cant fill the lower section of the PWA. Even with a bus load or two the best they can do is fill half to two thirds of the bottom section. The exception is the anniversary where they might open the upstairs. Maybe. They manipulate the camera angles in a major way. Still, if you know the PWA you can tell from the camera shots that the place is mostly vacant. Compare the years. 1996 - Assets minus liabilities = approx $40,000,000 2008 - Assets minus liabilities = approx $58,000,000 source: http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=F00256060&type=CORPORATION Yep, I would say that is aboundingly abounding. Lot's of growth. Looks like the way international is in a position of strength.

Yes!

Thanks! I will read up on them. I wonder if that's why the officially pulled both of those books some time ago?

Gross. I had no idea. That is completely disgusting. What a creep.

Yep! And the thing that kills me about it is it's the rallying point for all the subsequent "present truth." So, this woman presumes to know what people lack and then based on the theme makes a topic calendar and assigns teachers to teach to the lack. There is not one Sunday teaching service that is not carefully scripted according to an assigned topic in the theme's series. Thanks! Yes she does. She has the final approval. Design and Display develops the concept based on the theme. If I were a betting man I would say Rosalie gives them an idea first. I could be wrong and Design and Display might develop mockups for approval. But either way she controls it and the same folks make the poster year after year.

Thanks for the insight Wordwolf. The Chalet was occupied by Donna and a few others until Donna moved into the Founders Hall apartment a few years ago. When I was around the chalet served as "guest husing" with very few guests staying there. M3l1ss@ G30r63 and M@r$h@ L0mb@rd1 are the main two occupants. If those two aren't a couple I will start going to fellowship again! They do EVERYTHING together. A very close friend of mine walked in on them sitting really close on a couch together and when they knew someone was coming the shuffled apart real quick. What's that saying if it walks like a dyke and talks like a dyke...oops...misspelled my words...I meant duck...ya, that's what I meant. Anyways, the chalet is still a monumental waste and is vastly underused. The chalet annex that was added later is used by the director group for all of their meetings. What a joke.

God Bless you, you are the best!

Yes.

Thanks for bumping these. I had never seen them. Her methodologies are still in effect and I ran headlong into them. Yikes!