OldSkool

I know, right. Funny how an occasional innie will swing by, try and debate some points, get all worked up because they can't really make a logical defense using the way international's illogic and then leave. God forbid they would actually consider some of the points that were made and even get back to the scripture for comparison. No, considering is the first step "down." Glad I started considering long ago as it led to my eventual freedom. Considering isn't the first step down - it's the first of many hurried steps towards the metaphorical door.

I am a musician and have played professionally. Naturally, way productions is absolutely repugnant to me. I mean it just sounds bad on all accounts. The people that have talent in that group sound like people who have talent playing in a REALLY bad band. I could go on but the video of Sputz doing the robot chicken on Grease Spot's main page says it all. Now, I have heard a lot of the old way productions. I think my favorite was Pressed Down. I mean those guys could tear it up and I would wager even deaf people could jam to the vibrations they were so good. Now Rozilla likes to propagate a story about them where they played and Doc Vic was just infuriated with them and had them picking up trash the next day. Anyone got the skinny on this?

That's rich. I really love the subtle (but not so) comparison between them and the apostle Paul saying in Corinthians he had determined to not talk about too much more than Christ and him crucified. Ham - I love that pic!

I've heard a variety of excuses. Some of them literally have no where else to go and no savings to get there. Others, could make the move but feel there is no place else to go that teaches the truth. Obviously there are other reasons. And of course some of think things are just alright the way they are and love it there, even though yesteryear was the best-er-year. Thanks for posting this, I had no idea about this time frame. I wouldn't expect VPW to endure too long of a period of people preaching Christ without getting things in hand. After all, the way international is still framed in his own image. A golden statue of Nebuchadnezzar proportions. At least in their own minds.

Strange that God so loved the world (world full of empties) that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Yet this supposed man of God had so much judgmental disdain towards people. Where was the love, the compassion, the empathy, the grace, the mercy? By their fruits you will know them.

So in other words there is always someone standing by pressuring a person to take the next step. Spiritual growth is the carrot dangling from the increase your commitment schtik. Once the person hits corpse status then they are the full time pushers. Vicious cycle.

Only thing empty was Vicster's head.

I have a new classification of humanity since leaveing the way international. Humanity (I esteem them very highly now) Rosalie's dog Abusive, mean spirited, manipulative cult leaders

Consider that a compliment. In 97 they still had lots of people to kick out of the ranks. Strange how a full house engenders arrogance. Back then, corps material meant you were an aspiring jerkoff like Rev. Martindale. Yell at people, try and intimidate your way into worshipful obedience from others. Now, that The Forehead is doing a menial job in Toledo, after he thinned the numbers so that there is hardly anyone left, corpse material is any lump of clay that leadership recommends and doesn't argue. Corps material. I remember hearing that lots back in the day. I would say that "natural leadership ability" according to TWI basically boils down to natural salesmanship. That's corps material right there. Preferably without gonads or a spine. But let's gas this potential salesman up into thinking he has that special something. Break em down for four years. Let them on a long enough leash to run some classes and increase the abundant sharing for their area. That's corps! Thats rooooght! I got caught in the same snare. All I wanted to do was serve God. All I served was the board of directors. Glad to be out and free and picking up the pieces.

Really, Rosalie's dog - Sam, is above the Cabinet to her.

I wish someone hadda tried that with me.

May times searching around on the web I find something I think may not be that interesting but later on I want kick myself for not documenting it because it is relevant all of a sudden. This is one of those links. At least I can search back to it later. Perhaps it's interesting to you?...if not---nothing to see here. You'll have to scroll down just a little below the uncle harry's. http://www.faqs.org/copyright/order-my-steps-in-thy-word-by-the-way-international-3/

Well, now Doc Vicster used to teach the trees....

I see. I wondered maybe if there had evedentiary hearings. Oh well.

I always knew Uncle HornDawg was outnumbered, but now I know by how many....squirrel thinning is FUTILE!! :biglaugh:

Must be part of the cult manipulation techniques because it sure has an effect. Repetitive indoctrination, scripted replies. Hammers in the hand of da HOGDAFAT... Did I mention she is really a blue hair?....It's true. If you ever had the misfortune of sitting in front of her little teachers desk in the fellowship room on a riser, so you have to look slightly up, you can see the blue plain as day. The lights set it off just right. Maybe another perm will help straighten it out. Couple times a month she used to come into way styles in the EOB and stink up the joint... Meanwhile her guard dog is housed at the kennel over at the Wierwille home.....waiting....watching....lunging at unsuspecting grounds guys doing their daily duties to keep the place spiritually the best... You know, she spotted a downed limb once.....da HOGDAFAT that is.... Let it sit there a while.....and then blamed the cabinet because nobody picked it up.....ya....400 acres....62 or so highly manicured....she picks the needle in the haystack and blames the cabinet for being spiritually off... Strange how Frau Q-Tip never got off her lard a$$ to pick it up to lead by example.... Lord I was born a ramblin man.....damn martinis got me sayin' more than I should....da dadada.... anyway, so I've been told.... and for WAYGB

I need some more endorphins to numb that out. Off to smash my thumb with a hammer.....brb.....

See, the scales come off in layers. I have been told by so many older staffers and corps folks about how wonderful it all was. I guess delusional experiences leave delusional memories.

AHHH! Who in the hell are these idiots to say that God was trying to give someone revelation and the receiver was too stupid to get it. What happened to God being able to get our attention!!!!!!! :realmad: :realmad: Ok, carry on.

James, I am happy you are here too. I think we believe differently and I also think that is cool. I completely respect where you are coming from and have been honored to learn from you and about what you believe. I appreciate it. Please stick around. On another note, is there anyway for me to get my paws on court transcripts? If you could post them here you would gain a lot of insight from folks here. If you can't I understand. Really, all I need is the courthouse and I am happy to do the rest.

Yikes! I remember being in-residence during those years and it was murder having a separate service like that. First, we all busted a$$ to do all the leg work, set up, whatever have you. Then by the time the teaching rolled around most of use were nodding off, sometimes awakened by some sort of reproof. I remember one time we were reproved because our attitudes sucked. How the teacher knew that I can only guess, but we must have looked bored to tears. It was somewhat merciful when the live teachings were scaled back to once a month at Gunnison. That way we could sleep during the phone hookup. But....do you think the could just let the damn phone hookup play?....NOPE! They had us dress in suit and tie and then the executive committee took turns leading the meeting. The would sit up on the stage and lead songs in unison with Ted. Probably did it to keep us awake. They were always going off time during songs. It was a comedy of errors. Typical way international - put out an absolutely LOUSY product and then blame people for not liking it. I am glad they have had to practically moth ball Gunnison, serves them right. I hate that place. I forgot to mention that we had live services on Sunday's we followed up with the STS playback on Monday night. That was hell too. I mean that's the absolute worst time to do a playback. Tired, so tired. Sleep deprivation made it that much worse.

She sure sounds blessed to serve in that "capacity"

Oh, it's not limited to humor. I am trying to keep somewhat light on these topics, even though these topics have had a very negative effect on my life and family. What you post is appreciated.

Gen-2, That made my day. Thanks! And on another note, isn't it ironic that this is supposedly the hottest damn bible teaching on the planet, and they can't even fill more than the center three rows without busing in people from out of town. Plus, and maybe more importantly, they have to coerce the staff to attend, make the in-residentured way corpse attend, and have folks check a lit that they were there? Rhetorically Your, Mr. Skool