OldSkool

Coffee? Perhaps there are special serpen-abica beans, grown from seed.

I'm telling you, P.T. Barnum could take lessons from this a$$-hat.

No doubt LCM perceived "James" all around him, ever jealous of his "special talents." So, eventually Craig stops going along with "some things" (the way VeePee did things - not that is was the right way, but not as horrible as craig) and demands unquestioned loyalty. And VP stayed silent right up until he was silent.

With the way international you get protection from your leadership not confronting you.

I'm a way of abundance and power kid...do tell!

Ahh, shell of it former self it is. But there has been a chucking of the tree terminology over the years I was involved. In it's place is coprorate sounding lingo. Such as emphasizing they are a 501c3 non-profit, branch stayed the same because it is normal to have a branch office opened someplace, limb is interchangeable with State coordinator, Region is the same, and trunk became used synonymous with The Way of The USA. The way it works is all the official documentation has the corporate lingo on it while the ministry jargon retains the tree analogy. It's never been stated as official of course. But that is the current practice. They seek legitimacy in the non-profit realm.

Some of us Way Corpse used to "remind" ourselves how MANY believers there were on other Continents, such as Africa. Mind you, we did this when we had no proof how many there actually were / are. Then there were the reminders coming at us from dictator wannabees, like John Rupp, that we haven't had to dodge bullets to get to our Staff jobs but in Africa they have. We have it so much better. While there is no doubt in my mind that life is easy in America compared to other places, I find it offensive that these scenarios are used to justify ongoing wrongs against people employed by the way international.

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If they want to persist in selling the way's stuff - especially public teachings that corroborate so much of what has been said on GreaseSpot, the should change the name to Eternally Sued. Ole' Colombo likely hard at work. I had lost count of the times over the years I heard Rosalie say publicly and in a adamant low growl type of voice that they will always defend their copyrighted materials in court. Lot's of skeletons in the closet are good motivation to a money hoarding worthless non-profit such as the way international.

:biglaugh: But if you don't fill that horn o' plenty on regular occasions you can expect to have to explain yourself. Why wouldn't you want to abs?

That is so fockered!

Posted before or not, I would not have known to search for it not knowing what it was. Now that I know about I think I'll go download some of Craig's old teachings. The went through all the trouble of purging the libraries of his old teachings, figures that means I owe my self some copies. Looks like you have to subscribe to get anything from there? HEY WAYGB!!! FOLLOW THE LINKS!!! POTENTIAL NEW LAWSUIT!!! (know you guys wouldn't want to miss a chance to protect your copyrighted materials )

I have condemned myself till i am blue in the face for following them. Only I will condemn myself no more. I was a well meaning individual caught in a manipulating, mean spirited cult! So were you. That you made it out and reversed direction speaks of your caliber as parents and people. The damnation should rest squarely on the way international.

Isn't it strange with the way international and children that all they know is to club the child with a wooden spoon? Brilliant. I am really happy you guys got your child the help he needs to have a better quality life. I can totally relate to the damage this ministry can inflict on people with children who have special needs. I am the proud father of a special needs child myself and let me tell you they are TOTALLY inept to counsel and, as you so aptly stated, are "not just a harmless well meaning bible organization."

No, that about sums up Rosie. I have personally heard her remark on several occasions how difficult and time consuming it is to be a branch coordinator. It's no accident the rejects land as branch coordinators usually. It's punitive. The poetic justice is the people they are rejecting are now their representatives in the "outreach arm" of the way international. Sort of stupid of the old bag, eh?

Well, they are up against all the unbelief of the corpse and staff. I mean unbelief always cancels strong believing. You remember? Weakness brings down strength!

Strange how they extend probable loss of all reward to everyone else though. Hypocrites.

I dunno, VeePee and this "type" could be reasoned birds of a feather?

Good stuff. Please post more from the notes if you have them. I tossed all my stuff in a sigh of relief.

I had forgotten all about that but remember it clear as day now that you mention it. Good grief, they had to really work hard to support that crap. I guess this was research? Squeezing private interpretation, in spite of clear verses in the immediate context that make no mention of their position. :blink: Great points erkjohn!

OMG, YES! It's like a bad marriage where only half of the couple is actually committed and endeavoring to take care of the other.

In the bible Paul is arrested as a result of some folks that gave false witness against him: So this is basically where they give James a bad name. And teach all kinds of way international doctrine, such as Paul never should have went to Jerusalem, which context does support. Then they call it a mistake in judgment, which according to them is ok, so long as it's not a mistake in heart. But, if you just read the damn records it never speaks ill of James or the elders in Jerusalem at the time. They were worried about what the people would say and that is about all you can say bad about them. It was the Jews from Asia that brought the trouble against Paul, not James. Hell, they make James sound as if he had returned to the law and set a trap for Paul.

Yes! $54 million in assets with only $3 million in liabilities is what's it's all about. If I didn't know first hand how they refuse to pay people anything notable to alleviate the financial hardship of being a way international employee I would applaud them. That and the field leadership routinely are NOT reimbursed for out of pocket ministry expenses. Most leadership like to pull the "consider it abundant sharing" line when asked for reimbursement.

That's about how the world turns. Except they make the error in heart thing SOOOO much worse. I mean it's not as bad as homosexuality or being born of the seed of the serpent but it's definitely a runner up. WTF is an error in heart? When you think about it for a few minutes, which I don't recommend because you will have lost that time forever , it just makes no sense. No doubt more made up garbage that was over emphasized so it sounds real.

SEE!