OldSkool

Even though not every person files into the two groups, I find it interesting that nobody has come forward to dispute my perception - which I am amenable to. But we have two corroborating posts to date. Chock, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. You speak the truth. However, Rosalie has her inner circle comprised of people that are just as deluded as she is. So there are a very small few at the center of this thing that believe it's on the money and look to their memories of Victor Paul Wierwille for guidance and how he would have done so many things. It's twisted. Perhaps they really should be separated as a class unto themselves? Again, great perception, I enjoyed the posts. This is not say that things are not molded in Rosalie's boring image. The current state of ministry publications attest to that. She is a very boring speaker and must mold everyone else in that image. The reason? "We want our STS and other publications to be timeless." I kid you not. It's timeless alright. It sucks now and will forever suck!

I'm traumatized as a middle aged adult just reading it.

As Gen-2 stated "I am glad this place is her, paw!" You have no idea how much it has helped me so far, then again you probably do. :B)

Sounds like good riddance. I would guess you branch coordinators at the time were Forehead wannabes. My wife had a horrible time with one of those before we were married. But that is another story. As for the water, remember that all that area used to be swamp land and has a drain-tile system running underground to keep the place dry. Add water, and or a busted tile and you have a temporary pond. Can't believe the idiots were having people in those fields. Sounds like they did not care what happened to the folks out there in all that water / mud. Bastards.

Thanks for taking the time to post and repost this account, excathedra. As much as it sickens me I never heard the accounts. Now the lurkers can read/re-read it again too, so there is much value. Heck, I've been reading GreaseSpot sice 2004 or so and can tell you the accounts posted here have had a profound effect on me for the better and helped me over the years digging out from under all the garbage the way international heaped on me. That's priceless!

To an innie just the word of a MOG / HOG to make it all better.

Thanks!! I will do just that.

Ditto!

After hearing from other people in the way international what a great time I missed by never going to a ROA - let me tell you - I am still thankful as ever I NEVER went to one of those things. Something about sleeping outside in a freaking field in the middle of august, enduring the occasional thunderstorm never appealed to me AT ALL!! Not even to hear the MOGFODAT teach.

Most are too self important to get that.

Camp #1 - The Majority From the very time I went in-residence, until my very last day as active way corps, I was aware of something I did not expect to find before going into the way corpse. A river of dissent and dissatisfaction from quite a few of the participants. Now, before I go any further, there were definitely a minority that LOVED all of the control, legalism, laws, structure, others straining at the least aspects of their lives. My hats off to you. I'll get back to you in a minute. The dissenters, from what I could tell vastly out number those who love all things way international. After every STS, after reading the way magazine, after hearing the latest lectures and edicts handed down from the way corps mornings this group would divide up into sub-groups based on trust and friendship and rip it all apart. Granted, it was excused amongst them because their criticisms had a veneer of "how to fix it." Therefore, their hypocrisy is excused amongst most of them. Common gripes include, but are not limited to: How bad way productions always are How scripted and dry the STS always is How dry white toast the way magazine always was And yet, living in utter hypocrisy this group RARELY, if ever speaks up when given the chance. No, when the pressure is turned on to conform they fall in line for one reason or another. Spineless and neutered, they persist in an organization that does not make them happy, nor do they believe in what they do. They cover themselves in cliches like "If there was someplace out there that taught the word I would leave in a minute." Obviously what they really mean is if there is some place that teaches what the way international does I would leave in a minute. This camp is trapped, held against their will even though they hold their own chains in their hands and can drop them at any time. To this group, that I was once a part, I say - LEAVE NOW! RUN, DO NOT WALK! Life is too short to live in that type of bondage and you know it. Camp #2 The Dominant Minority: Then there is the other camp. These are the folks loved by the Directors. The yes men and women. Who walk lock step (or perhaps goose step) with the Directors. They love all that is, mindlessly, simply because it is. This group always considers themselves the examples of righteous living and expects that non-way corpse should emulate their example. Given the chance they will always talk about how wonderful the way international is. To them it the way international is the center of their lives. They constantly regurgitate the present truth and look for any opportunity to steer all conversations to the latest teaching. Camp #2 sounds innocent enough except they are the zealots of the way corps. They will report the dissenters in a heart beat because they are easily offended, taking any criticism aimed at the way international as an attack of the adversary. They will sacrifice family, friends - yea, they have NO friends when it comes to "the werd." They are the dominant minority. To this group I say nothing because you wouldn't be caught dead reading GreaseSpot Cafe because you lack the fortitude to face the reality that you are in a twisted cult that has a criminal past. Just because you masters paid enough money to keep things out of court do not mean the wrongs were not perpetrated. Too many people witness against them and there will come a day where the secrets of men will come to light. Has anyone else noticed these things? Or other things? I thought the post was worth putting out there to let people see what it's like "in-house."

Same here. Funny thing is when I was in the way international, many times when watching corny TV late night I would often become very emotional out of the blue. Repressed feelings maybe? That doesn't happen anymore now that I have started learning to cope with situations that cause emotions. But there was a time I felt nothing and considered it righteousness. From The Bible Tells Me So: Think about that for a minute. What if I follow this logic and then commit great wrongs against others? Well, it's obvious - they should learn to live with the injustice, no? Probably their fault anyway. Besides if they want to be spiritual they are going to have to learn to not be so religious. I like your explanation of Psychopaths and the quotes you posted, JJ. Thanks!

I have lived all over the US and have seen many street cons. Ranging from I can tell you where you got your shoes, to three card monte, and shell games. You know what the way international and the con-man have in common? You guessed it "the con." As we know the con is usually about giving you something or doing something for you that cost the con-man little or nothing, and then extracting an undue amount in return. Sound familiar? Victor Paul Wierwille was a con-man's con-man that raised up a brood of leadership cons molded in his image - from LCM to Rosalie. They perpetuate the con that VeePee started, that is the way international.

And the more zealous, boot lickers got promoted. I remember those days too. Reverend Martindale this and Reverend Martindale that and on it went.

Well, all that is irrelevant due to the many negative comparison's the way ministry is founded on. That was one of VeePee's claims to fame - bash the church as powerless and full of error. Then step in and claim to be full of wisdom and integrity, teaching all the answers to our yearning hearts like it hasn't been heard since the Apostle Paul walked the earth. <_<

Why yes, thank you!

This is utterly disgusting. How in the hell could anyone, especially someone who claims to be a minister and the man of God for our day and time, be so perverted to think this is something acceptable. Qeustion: Why stop there? Let's break out view all the porno fetishes out there!

Eeeks - where do I start. 1) - Finding out The Forehead was a sexual predator and was aided by most of the top leadership (really that should have been enough.) That top leadership includes Rosalie. Sorry lurkers, do the homework on your dear leaders to find their true character. 2) - Finding out that many of the changes that have happened in the ministry that Rosalie is credited for (the kinder gentler TWI) were forced by law in an ongoing effort to lawsuit proof the way international. And in fact Rosalie HATES these changes and pines for the old days of total, unquestioned rule of the way international staff and way corpse. 3) - Finding out the law of believing is not true, and therefore, most subsequent holy spirit based manifestations do not work the way we are taught in the way international. Sorry folks, no healings, signs, miracles, or wonders to be credited to the current top leadership, especially the board of directors. By the way - Speaking in tongues for someone as you drive them to the doctor is not miraculous. 4) - Finding out first hand how incredibly mean and vindictive the board of directors really are. I was harassed by them on Rosalie's whim that I needed to "step it up." The harassment began after they reluctantly agreed to an assignment that was needed for the benefit of my family instead of what they thought was best for my family. Weeks of pure hell ensued only to be warded off by me beginning proceedings against them according to the Harassment Policy in the staff handbook. They became oh so nice. Sorry lurkers, this happened a few years ago in the kinder, gentler, way international. Go on an bury your head in the sand, hell, it's probably my fault it happened, right? Could say more but will stop now.

Thanks! Really, I should send him a thank you card. If it weren't for his bung hole ways I might still be in the way corpse and out hustling their classes on people.

No matter. There are so few wayfers left that a few of their kids going corpse won't matter too much in the scheme of things. It's a shame that there will continue to be generational continuance of the Wierwille-ites. Most of them know a lot of the wrongs that have happened over the years only to allow it to be explained away with way speak. But some of them will wake up. That is so freaking manipulative for parents to do that to the kids. If my folks were that way I would chose to sacrifice the relationship with them and leave the way international. Heck, already had it wrecked by the way international telling my earthly family comes second to their spiritual family. But as you so aptly stated, "Now that's messed up!"

His underlying theme that day was we would be blessed by going where we were sent. I never relented. He tried to dig me many times after things were set by making subtle, off the wall comments that always seemed to imply healing happens when a person is in service. Thats the summary. He is a very big part of the reason I left. Dude is heartless except to do what Frau Q-Tip commands. And yes we are better off by miles without them. Our child is in excellent care and is doing great, living a normal life!

That works too!

This is one of the most disturbing things I have come to learn about the way international's sordid history.

Yep!