OldSkool

Yep! It is a very relative term. Except with the way international their definition of abundance always seems to justify their followers getting by with less while giving more to the way international!

Except wal-mart no doubt treats their employees better.

Probably should be considered secret "advanced" knowledge. <_<

Which reminds me. There are a number of staff who run their plans out and incur medical debt because they never go for "help." They hide out on staff with debt until they can pay it off and never tell anyone. I knew of at least two folks in this position when I was on staff. So, the folks who want to be responsible for their own medical payments would be tossed off of staff because the would be considered to have debt, which is a BIG no-no for staff of the way international. But if the tax payers pick up the tab, in spite of one's ability to pay, then that is noble and doing the werd because one remains debt free! How-a-bout-it-keeeds.

Cotton white hair that has blue tints in most lights. Married to Donna.

On another note, I had a conversation with R1c0 M@gn3ll1 where he told me, and I quote "Government programs were put in place by God to bless his people. They are there for the believers all we have to do is claim them." They also pat themselves on the back for staying debt free by going on public assistance. It's just twisted.

ROFLMAO! I think we have a lot more of our own terminology than we credit ourselves. The Forehead Rozilla, RosaLIE, Frau Q-Tip VeePee Strange how many Frau has. <_<

Well, straight out of the way of abundance and power foundational class there is the statement "God wants us to prosper in all categories in life." Then there are the numerous pamphlets and appendix articles that state how we will have all that we need as we tithe and abundantly share. The way international references Job who was the richest man in the east. They talk how Jesus would have been rich due to the gifts from the wise men, and on they go. Now, I'm fine with prosperity. Make as much money as you want. But I thought I would talk a little about this supposed abundance that simply does not happen from believing their twisted doctrines. Really we need look no further than how they handle staff illnesses. Let me preface this by acknowledging the old system that was in effect before the Allen lawsuit. The way international covered all medical expenses and controlled when people went to the doctor by way of approval. They would discourage doctor visits in those days. But when something catastrophic happened they would at least cover it. Correct me on this as that is my impression at least. Well, the kinder gentler way has mastered the art of ducking their fiduciary responsibilities as employers and hosing the employee in grand fashion. Currently the way international provides "health insurance" through Medical Mutual of Ohio for staff at headquarters. When I tell you this plan is cheesy I am being nice. It has a 20% copay, and extremely low limits. It also has very low lifetime maximums. The plan is great at catching dental visits, eye exams, routine checkups, etc. But when something big comes along you are out in the cold in a hurry. So how do they cover for this? Usually, an appointment with G@ry Fr3d3r1ck for some counseling. You see, he knows all the ins and outs of getting the person in need set up on Medicaid, Disability, and government assistance programs. He doesn't sign anyone up. He merely points the way. I have seen people come away very confused from these meetings because they thought they worked in a legitimate corporate environment only to find they don't! The see their insurance vanish permanently for next to nothing, relatively speaking. Then they come to realize that they are paid significantly less than 200% of the federal poverty levels, qualifying them for Medicaid, WIC, and the like. To summarize - the way international keeps a self funded insurance plan that does little more that get you some routine checkups. They purposely have lifetime maximums artificially low so they do not have to absorb their fiduciary responsibility to cover their employees health care costs in any meaningful way. The pay on staff is so lousy that you are guaranteed to be eligible for government assistance. Oh smack to potential hires! They tout their 401k and stress the "great" health insurance they provide! BTW - my intentions are not to slam or discuss any social assistance programs of their own merits. Only point out how the way shirks it's fiduciary responsibilities, letting the tax payers pick up the bill! All the while they are hording $54 million in assets. To keep this initial post short, I am purposely leaving out the way international's followers on the field. They are in worse shape in some ways. Clunker cars, no health insurance at all due to blowing off college to participate in ministry programs - read crappy jobs here, doomed to rent their entire lives, etc. Really this could be another thread. Here's some external links: http://jfs.ohio.gov/Ohp/consumers/whoqualifies.stm http://jfs.ohio.gov/Ohp/consumers/familychild.stm http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/index.shtml Children http://jfs.ohio.gov/Ohp/consumers/HSHFIncomeGuidelines.pdf Adults http://jfs.ohio.gov/Ohp/consumers/ABDIncomeGuidelines.pdf

Well, they really painted themselves into a corner with the whole cancer is devil spirit caused crap. And what was the logic? Cancer has life of it's own? Mmmmmm.....don't bacteria and viruses as well?

Oh, do tell. Consider it "full sharing"

Easy guys, WAYGB will report to Frau Q-tip that the spurrts over at da Grease Sput have gone into discomfiture... J/K obviously.

Apparently. He is so idolized around the cornfield that I sort of did a double take. Then there are those cast in his image. Those that try for the super-wise country boy persona. Uncle Howard and Al@n Drum come to mind. I have personally heard Drum refer to himself as Uncle Allen.

Sounds like quite the racket.

The problem I have found with offshoots is they simply do not care about the individual. It's all about growing their stupid organizations so people can subtly commit themselves by giving time and money to the furtherance of their organizations.

I couldn't bring myself to even say anything with "Ho" in it when it came to Christmas. Freaking idiots in the way international run around saying "Happy Ho Ho." Sounds like two smiling hookers to me. I do have some ghetto tendencies though so maybe that's why?

Godd grief - Harry was a creep too?

ROFL! Actually, they contain gelatin from pork that is derived from collagen from skin, bones - not cattle hooves. I was just messing around. Enjoy! Nothing wrong with Altoids unless you are Vegan.

Yes, just last night in fact. Was a dream of Rosalie pulling the corps in for a group confrontation regarding not liking the STS.

Ewwww. That's right up there with chewing mint flavored cow hoof.

Oh, Thanks!! Ya, must've ran out of Jolly Ranchers just before that session. Jolly Ranchers were the only way I could stay awake and were actually recommended from a class assistant because of their sharp taste. Guess the product pales in comparison to Jolly Ranchers.

I think they use "spiritual" so much to explain away what people obviously do not have and the way international promises. Missing the more abundant life? Ah, that's spiritual - even though it's promised in all of the way international's categories - mental, physical, spiritual. Just a quick shuffle of the cards.

How does one in TWI become immune to sprrruts anyway? exceptional believing? exceptional discipline? carry a hand gun and chamber it often?

Well, nothing bizarre for me. Just joined GSC and started posting along with thinking long and hard about why I do what I do. That is a process in itself that usually has resulted in some changed ways for the better and less rotten thinking.

Yes. I did not know that was where it came from but he progressively chilled out over time. BUT - Rosalie is the one who micromanages that program and she is responsible for how horrible it is to date.

Pssst...Hey be nice for a few weeks then go back to being an a$$!! - priceless.