OldSkool

Ok, you guys made my day with this one. I laughed until my side hurt. :eusa_clap:

Which is an outright contradiction in terms.

Uhh....is this believing to live abundantly on a genuine need basis....

Way Corps have been marked and avoided for so much less than what this woman did in being Craig's "procuress." They keep her at HQ until they are ready to go and then set em up in a cushy full time branch. Then one is able to find them living high on the hog for a while. Talk about the appearance of evil. It's likely they sat on the house while it sold or something. (Trying to give the benefit of the doubt) But the hypocrisy is GLARING! Meanwhile there are limb coordinators buried in ministry work while working a secular job. Connecticut is such a limb where the coordinator has to work a full time job. It's a VERY hard assignment. Hypocrites.

I became so "enlightened" I left!

It's the way of abundance and power, Craig's class. Except the FNC, and INT classes have been edited to remove Craig from the content and a panel of boring teachers presents the material. It's brutal. They were doing the same to the advanced class and in the meantime they have been using a taped class where a panel of teachers presents Craig's old way of abundance and power syllabus. There are GLARING errors in that syllabus - yet the show must go on. Again - the presentation is mostly monotone and lame.

Yep! Congrats and way to persevere through the hard times and fight back through all that B.S!

edite.

Mind you I'm not sure about the details of the home. But the comments above stand and it goes to show how they are treating folks who walked the party line during the Allen lawsuits and have stayed loyal to this day.

I have been thinking a lot lately about some of the shenanigans we pulled to get people registered for the way of abundance and power foundational class run by the way international. I have seen a lot of them but one by my old fellowship coordinator really stands out to me to this day as a low life move. We had been witnessing to our old boss at the time. We had spent the usual amount of time working to convince this man that the way international wasn't a cult over a period of several months. In retrospect it was a dog and pony show. We literally acted differently around him and used the usual lines about how everyone has free will and can leave anytime, the way isn't built around a man - a charismatic personality, etc. (Which is a lie because it is built totally around VeePee Wierwille.) Anywho, this fellow invited us over for dinner one evening and I noticed my fellowship coordinator had a folder with him but thought nothing of it. We ate and later on his wife excused herself - she did not like the way international, and with good reason in retrospect. Mind you by this time we were well into several bottles of wine provided by our host. Sure enough my fellowship coordinator produced the registration card from his folder and went to work selling this man on the foundational class when he was freshly buzzed with good dinner wine. He registered and I remember walking out of his home later that night feeling like a dirt ball. Later that week our boss decided NOT to take the foundational class, it seems he came to his senses and probably realized he was worked over. He wanted his money back but could not get it. In retrospect that is the screwiest thing I've ever been a part of in order to get someone registered for the coming class. I felt guilty about this for a long time and only recently am able to post it up. It helps me to get it out for others to see and may it stand as a warning to others. Buyer beware! Run! I'm interested to hear other tactics employed by the way international to get registration cards filled out.

Yes! If it's on the internet I will find it.

Split details on Ramona into new thread:

This is split from the following thread: So here we have a person named in the Allen lawsuit as "procuress" for Martindale getting a free ride as a full time branch coordinator in a small city living in an extravagant home. I seem to remember they were Mona-Vie folks too and when others got a punishment assignment they seem to get a full time branch. Oh well. I should stop marveling. Perhaps the home is a rental or they sat it for someone. Who knows. What does show is the preferential treatment R@mon@ received when other Mona-vie couples were starting fellowships and building to a branch in a years time.

Bizarre joke? - no. Serious? I don't think so. It's all smoke and mirrors. Well, to them GreaseSpot is full of devil spirits. End of story. And you will not see them either. Rosalie still has a problem with computers. She does not like them. I would liken it to someone being pi$$3d at the light bulb, all the while thinking oil lamps are better. Social networking is totally lost on them. What they once were they will continue to be until our culture demands the change. Moving the STS from cassette tape / VCR to CD / DVD formats comes to mind as an example. Ah! the way international wins the prize then. I was told once by someone close to RosaLIE that she considers the internet mostly filled with filthy communication. So us detractors are handled the same as always for these bozos. We are possessed.

OMG - then we would have our own brand of offshoots. GreaseSpot, GreaseStain, De-GreasedSpot and on it would spiral!! :anim-smile:

Thanks!

While I can only speak for myself and my limited observations, I will endeavor to give a glimpse of what happens to a person who goes corps. When I was new to the way ministry I had the beginnings of a relationship with God that was unencumbered by the way international's "advanced" doctrines and legalisms, etc. For a brief time I saw the goodness of God. Naturally, I wanted to help others see the goodness of God as well. That's when I was told about the way corpse. Young, naive, and starry eyed I dropped everything I was pursuing, career included, and started working towards the way corpse with much zeal. Many classes and a couple way disciple runs later I found myself at camp gunnison as in-resindentured way corpse. To say that I was disappointed is an understatement. Instead of a program that was full of life and vigor that helps the participants find their ministries and educates them in a meaningful way, worthy of a degree in Theology, I found a program totally devoid of substance. I compare it to being incarcerated. No TV, no reading materials other than ministry publications, no music other that way productions, very limited phone time, not allowed to leave the campus except with express permission - usually a couple hours on a Saturday, days spent working STS - way mag - present truth in study hall and then working crappy menial jobs....read work/study program. Hard edged and dangerous work projects like "harvesting" firewood from the Gunnison national forest. We were under constant surveillance by the corpse coordinator and other way corpse staff. We were isolated from the outside world and even the staff who worked at the campus. We were not allowed visitors or phone calls except for a little time in the evenings or on Saturday. This lifestyle was absolutely horrible. I came close to leaving so many times. The entire process numbs people down to mindless zombies who've learned when to genuflect and spew the necessary cliches to stay mercifully under radar. By the time a person graduates they are changed. Changed to endure mental / emotional abuse and mindlessly follow orders. If you begin to exercise critical thinking skills that go against the board of dummies desires you will be punished in one way or another. Leaving the way corps and the way ministry seemed just damn near impossible at times. After all, I took a salt covenant. In retrospect I was in deep bondage to the board of dummies and a cult that promises the power of God and only gives heartless legalism to it's adherents. I hope this helps a little to understand why. The way corpse lifestyle is inculcated in people slowly. By the time a person is active way corpse there is deep seated bondage to the board of dummies that takes all that is in a person to break free. Sadly, some never do. However there are the heartless monsters who love the lifestyle, relish in the bondage, and spend their entire lives lording over people who want nothing more than to love God and keep his commandments. These people are full of politics and self promotion and feel that God has given them a special calling above others. Instead of exercising gift ministries in mercy, grace, love, etc, they consider themselves to have "ruling" ministries and expect nothing short of total submissive obedience from the plebes. These bastards are worthy of the judgment they will surely receive as a recompense of their merciless ways and devilish judgments they so coldly pronounce against people who want nothing more than to be a good Christian.

Oh boy, you got that $h1t right! Except the greatness of it is slowly coming to realize that the entire board of dummies is stacked with emasculated yes men who are under the strictest micro-management imaginable from Frau Q-Tip and that Donna and Rosie rule the roost as the happy couple they surely are. Ramona remarried. T3d B1don and last I knew he was a department coordinator.

BINGO! Plant a fake smile on your mug, numb yourself with ministry jargon and publications, burn yourself in service doing menial chores in the way ministry = instant poster child. Single is better than married because there are less problems in the persons life to contradict the "life is perfect" persona they want to promote.

That just seems a really gross prospect.

They all three have a serious case of penis envy?

Started new thread to try and answer this question.

All named in the Allen lawsuit? Sexual orientation? All knew of The Forehead's illicit love affairs? I dunno... I give up.

I just can't figure out why they feel the need to harass people about getting a job. ABS being the obvious reason? Perhaps that's it. Who would abundantly share from their savings? It's already been shaken down once. Many people could live from savings for sometime, or inheritance even.