OldSkool

If Jesus is going to forgive everyone then why is there a resurrection of the unjust? Also, why is it automatically assumed that if someone has not forgiven someone for a wrong they perpetrated then there is a grudge? With God people have to ask to be forgiven and forgiveness is showered with great love on the person. But with people it's supposed to be different? This is my complaint with the forgive everybody doctrine and perhaps what I am about to say is forgiveness. I have not forgiven Rosalie and her cohorts that attacked me and my family without cause. BUT - I am not going to exact revenge on them neither do I hold a grudge, nor am I bitter. I simply recognize that there is an unsettled account between us that will have to wait for Jesus the righteous judge to settle. But I will not clear their name, and I will tell my story as a warning to others about their true character and nature as false teachers, prophets.

Most times than not, the chickens come home to roost.

Schweetness....pure schweetness...!

And string chairs as a leadership body.

Why thank you, sir! Now let's line up a row of Drambuie for everyone!

Thank you. You have clarified this, and made my point better than I could have ever enunciated it. Jesus forgave the hapless dolts that were used by the false prophets that he so often condemned. Yet, me neighborhood offshoot would tell me that I am supposed to forgive them......

Only da bi-foculs.... Even so! glub glub...see what Ham made me do...all that talk of beer and such.... Mayber we better set up a two post limit....no? I mean just for da Squirrel's sake....or is that Sake....oh my.....i've gone crosseyed..... uhhhh....I better tie this into TWI somehow....oh wait....I know....I forgot about TWI and forgot to stop drinking....seems they have slipped into irrelevance with all their rules....oh well..... <_<

Makes it hard to see, no?

So, was Jesus speaking to the roman soldiers that parted his garment? ... or ... the pharisees that condemned him?

Wouldn't that make his father a fool too? On the contrary, his father gave his son the chance to not be a fool - a chance that apparently was neglected.

Yep!! Enter the offshoots and their need to excitedly propound forgiveness!

Ya, that's real similar to the teachings in this particular offshoot. As I said, the way international is largely irrelevant to me so there are no tentacles attached. And the account is not mine to forgive.

My experiences with people telling me to forgive the way international for the evils they have inflicted on me were the same people running an offshoot and endeavoring to use Victor Paul Wierwille's name and "works." While the way international is mostly irrelevant to me now because I have walked away there is an unsettled account that is not mine to forgive. Since they claim to be the "ruling" ministries and ministers of the Lord Jesus Christ, then they can settle that account with the one they claim to work for.

In a nutshell, he and his wife are ministry kids from long standing families. His wife parents are way corps and his parents have been in New Bremen for a long time and with the TWI a long time. I understand the young man knew he was ripping people off and involved TWI followers on purpose. That's the broad strokes, I will wait for clarification from Pawtucket before posting anymore details - I am hearing all sorts of rumors.

They are experts at screwing up and calling it the will of God. I wonder if their "masterful handling" of things, where people leave in droves, is part of that accumulated wisdom that John Rupp told me was in great supply at the director level!

Ya, basically the directors in their masterful handling of the Hirschfeld incident have managed to run off most of the great state of Colorado!

Good, maybe they will handle other states the same

Nicer = the bum's rush is no longer standard operating procedure. They never stopped marking and avoiding people. I marked and avoided them for their divisions and offenses contrary to doctrine.

I hear lots of news about people leaving the way international en masse in one state. I hear of troubles in another couple states. I hear of long standing followers marked and avoided for something their adult son was involved in....lots of news it seems. Why is it Rosalie and her cohorts ALWAYS have to have some cause to chase after? some "erring" followers to pursue? some nasty dissidents to mark and avoid? Do these idiots realize they are cutting off their own supply of resources to rule the "church" with? much more heinous is their abuse of good people, so they think Sometimes I think that perhaps there is nothing to do with the way international is sit back, grab some popcorn and watch them implode. Perhaps Vicster always was chasing "problems" as well?

Your welcome and thanks! Glad some of my rantings were helpful to others. Especially glad for the forums space to rant.

Bump...

I was in-rez with him and know him well. I was also involved with several "productions" in the PWA where I got to see him in all of his "glory." When I was around Deb Berg3r was training him as her replacement as the in-house choreographer. The only thing that rivals the size of his smile is his ego. Case in point. He was so egotistical when he first went into way productions that Rozilla sent him to Grounds for a short punishment assignment. Again, the confidential directive was "work him hard and put him away wet." He spent his time in the woods processing felled trees into log rounds and dragging unusable branches to be loaded for the burn pile at the ambassador farm. He did well in the dept. and apparently he learned to keep his mouth shut because he never came back (at least while I was around.)

Well, really the boy is quite the narcissist.

Awesome! Thanks.