OldSkool

Having involved myself with the way international in the mid 90s it shocks me to hear of all the lead incidents that have been swept away from memory inside TWI. I never heard of any of this. But, I did hear all about the glory days of lead and how wonderful it was to do the hitchhiking thing.. It really sucks that people were raped and hurt. Not surprised though - there are sick people on the prowl out there. I wonder how long before the S.O.W.E.R.S go before one of them becomes a victim?

I am happy if you are any else posts there, I am just trying keep on topic, and I am guilty as anyone else for going off topic. No problems here, JohnIam.

I did, just stumbled on gender.

Not at all, that's Fr@nk Stut7, Linds3y Linder, and Trudy (Baines) Y3att$. Trudy = Very talented Lindsey = Very talented Fr@nk = Modestly talented, but in charge of dance, and thinks he can sing. Learned dance from Yo MTV Raps or something. I am serious. He taught himself from instructional videos! Now her thinks he is Fred Astaire or at least M.C. Hammer. To make sure it is incredibly horrible, Rosalie micro-manages the entire outfit using directives like "the words are the most important part of a way productions song because they are the Word of God!" Ya, an old, out of touch school teacher is directing way productions and keeping all those pesky artists who know better in check.

I am married to a lovely lady who became the whipping post by her region coordinator whom she offended because she offered a differing opinion from his in a public meeting when asked. From my perspective, the especially love to do a feeding frenzy on single, young women. Maybe some day they will endeavor to feed on the wrong one. A person could only dream of the ramifications.

I never took PFAL, but understand this to be true from "legend." Nor do I. First time I heard her teach was from word in business in 97 and it was a bitchy, ignorant lecture at best. But as her and Rosalie go: this is what happens when incompetents take the reins.

Oh believe me, when the SHTF the first thing that usually happens is a witch hunt from the top down to scrutinize the level below you to make sure you identify the "error" and reprove the leader who missed it and did not teach the member of the flock to avoig the evil, or whatever. You get the idea. And the blame usually rests with the poor individual who is having the trouble at the moment. Instead of helping through understanding and compassion they blame the person driving them deeper into condemnation.

well, after I hauled my over 3000 books to the city dump all I did was read the bible and....oh wait a minute....ya, I don't have 3000 books or even know where the city dump is, and just how big of a truck would hold 3000 books and how many shelves in how large a room...drifting along now... anyway, after the way international, try as I might I have no interest in picking up the bible. I hope that changes someday, or perhaps there is something I can do to change? I dunno. There was a time when reading the bible was enjoyable and exciting for me when I first became involved with the way international. Then, though their programs and legalistic structures I allowed that part of me to die. Sad to say. And they claim they teach how to enjoy reading the bible...hell, the taught me by example how to NOT enjoy reading the bible.

Well, it would seem that Stiles and Bullinger never made more material that could be converted into a 2nd PFAL class, therefore, he had to conjure up that line of gibble. As for the STS, the plan it so far in advance now that the adversary has robbed all the spiritual energy out of it months before it's actually taught and all that is left is disgruntled, bored wayfers sleeping in the pews. Well, that is besides the cheerleaders endeavoring to ingratiate themselves to their gramma in Da Verd - Rosalie the Great Protector. They need promotion don't you know?

Mostly johnIam

This $%^& with JonIam is so trolled out I am not even sure what it's about anymore.

Donna's gramma in Da Verd

It was the same way when I was in-residence, yet the pictures made us look so "blessed," and "together."

That wasn't my intent at all, and sometimes intent is lost in cyberspace. My point was aimed at Victor Paul Wierwille and how he drew in youth only to steal their years. That is exactly what the way international did to me, in my prime, which is lost. By Victor's Kids, I could have explained, I mean we were all told we were the special, the called out, the chosen ones. Not that anyone who happened to be caught in Vicky's snare was goofy. I assume this is your complaint, and wanted to offer an apology in case we were misunderstood.

Victor's Kids?

mine is all marked up with no where to go.

That would have been much better w/o seeing Craig and Donna

Good point. Parallel = Simon the Sorcerer and Victor Paul Wierwille....how'd I do? I am new to this parallel thing...

Again, being a double-crossed ex-wayfer, I am extremely skeptical of any ministry, especially an offshoot. Having held CFF to the light of day a little, I really have nothing bad to say about them. It seems like Guigou and the gang really care and are doing what they know to do. I would think there would be a financial report available some place? They do have "love offerings" (I wish they would call that something else,) so they do at least accept donations. They are required to report on how the donations are being utilized, I do believe.

Oh, here's the kicker. Rosalie and her cheerleaders think that what she has done in killing the STS has made it better than it ever has been. Meanwhile, the suppressed dissenting majority of wayfers are bored to tears each week. Then they convince themselves to stay with cliches like "If there was another ministry that teaches the truth like TWI I would be there in a heartbeat." Can you say B-O-N-D-A-G-E? Rosalie has a lot of the teachers "convinced" that the spirit of God will work in just as dynamically during their teaching preparation. Yes, she has apparently told God what to do. Kind of funny, really, does she think she is God? I mean it's Rosalie and her minions that shape the teachings through strict micromanagement. You know, you really can't apply logic to their actions and come up with any good conclusion.

Control, pure and simple. And to cover their own behinds, since some of VPW and The Forehead's teaching have come up as evidence in court cases before. They want to white wash themselves, but they are still a cult,

This is continued from this thread. Where choclfull said: Chock is right on the money. I wanted to "unveil" on GSC exactly what I went through as an STS teacher. I would not wish it on my worst enemy. First, many months in advance, you are assigned a teaching topic that agrees with the overall ministry theme for that year that has been decided upon by osalie. On a preset time line you submit an outline to Rosalie for approval. Outlining a teaching is very difficult unless you are really good at outlines. I do have to say it helps a person collect their thoughts. But it's the approval process that gets hairy, more on that in a minute. You develop your teaching at this point. The teaching is not you, God and Jesus, and the bible with in-spirit action guiding a person operating gift ministries. Not at ALL! During this phase there are very strict guidelines regarding where your "research" comes, and you MUST document your sources so they can be approved and to make sure it all jives with proven ministry research! You most likely already know where the teaching come from - you guessed it! Way Mag, STS tapes, TWI books, are all at the top of the pile and above question. I digress - moving onwards. Next, you develop your teaching into a word for word transcript that is submitted to Rosalie who then volleys it over to President's Publications to make sure the teaching agrees with "proven ministry research." They check everything with a microscope. Note: either the outline or transcript phase can be volleyed back and forth several times and becomes very wearisome after a few times of reworking minutia to make it fit with the "suggestions and feedback" that one receives. Once the word for word transcript finally meets Rosalie's approval the teacher has to record themselves and turn that in for feedback as well. (Yes it is difficult to find cassette tapes and a recorder - I keep mine right next to my VCR and 8 track player ) During this time you are encouraged to teach in front of the mirror, and to incorporate your feedback points into your presentation. Again, not a bad thing to do but by this time all the life was zapped right out of me and I knew full well that it was not my teaching. It was Rosalie's and her cheerleader's from President's Publications. To make it worse all of my individuality had been expunged from the presentation, it was pure drudgery. I would have done better with honesty. Just say "This is what you are going to teach and this is how you are going to teach it." No - the whole charade of pretending it was my teaching and my presentation was against conscience. Onwards. Ok, the Thursday before the Sunday where you present your teaching you go to the prevailing word auditorium and present your teaching to Rosalie, or another assigned representative if Rosalie cannot attend. She usually has someone from President's Publications with her. At this point you receive more feed back on your presentation. Then on Friday morning there is a full out rehearsal for the STS, where the teacher practices entering the stage, presenting the opening and closing of the teaching, and then exits the stage. And finally you teach. You are NOT to deviate from the approved transcript....period! Now, when Craig was fired and Rosalie started having others "teach" I was bored to tears by the presentations because it was obvious that the teachers were reading word for word from their notes. I blamed the teachers. I never knew to blame Rosalie. Is everything in this process bad? Nope. But the overkill and extreme micromanagement totally took the life out of me. All I could do was read my notes and leave the stage and I could not do that fast enough. Rosalie should just pass out transcripts of what she wants said and let the "teachers" go rehearse that for a few months, at least they would do better presentations without pretending that the teaching is one's own.

My friend, I still embrace "TWI teaching" because some of it is biblical, and I still endeavor to embrace the bible, God, and Jesus. Not everything the the way international taught is BS, but there is a significant portion of it that is worse than BS. At this point I am not sure I will ever totally agree with anyone about biblical matters, and that is just fine. I wasn't around for the early days of the way international. I can say this from first hand experience as way corps who has intimate knowledge of the inner workings of TWI - The way international is the way it is by design. It is strictly micromanaged from the top down using the way of the USA through the way tree structure. The things that VPW, and Craig taught that have not been specifically re-taught (i.e. adultery is wrong, etc.) are still believed and held as truth. So, the way international does not have life of it's own, it is molded in Rosalie Rivenbark's and Donna Martindale's image. They all learned that neat little trick from Victor Paul Wierwille. Personally, I don't really care if you ever agree with me. At this point I am not even sure what all of this is about. I do wish, however, that you would please take up the cause elsewhere, perhaps on the thread Twinky made. I came back to this thread to read about CFFM, who has my interest in a good way. But what do I find? another lengthy defense from you. Now, let's pretend for a second you are here to defend CFFM with all your zeal....it would really discourage me from having anything to do with them. Presuming this is the case, I am assuming this is not what you would want.

I got a biblical parallel for everyone concerning Victor Paul Wierwille: Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. How'd I do?

Ya, that really doesn't make a lot of sense.