OldSkool

Great post Kit. Thanks!

Thank you for posting this.

It is interesting that all the spiritual competition concepts go out the window with the thorn in the flesh teaching. Maybe he was on to something ---- ---- Seems my thorn in the flesh turned out to be Wierwille's doctrines (which are not really his) and his viper like brood.

I guess my point is TWI and the offshoots have it wrong when it comes to all the formulas. Jesus walked with God and healed multitudes of people at a sitting. It was faith based. But they like to quote Job, and other instances that are vast minority to what Jesus did. In my opinion, these organizations do not have healing figured out even though individuals have been healed from time to time - which I think is awesome. On the other hand, and in the larger picture, people have been hurt following TWI's teachings on healing.

Which underscores that the way international has no clue about revelation and/or healing. Oh - but they sell the advanced class with the promise that they will "teach" the new students "how" to do these things. Then of course once you have had the class you should go way disciple to put it all into practice. JJ - your husband's scenario is a prime example of where the way international's teachings lead people.

To me this topic is yet another bait and switch employed by Wierwille and his cohorts in TWI, and still very much in use in the offshoots (CFF, TLTF, STFI, etc.) They like to say if you want to be healed then the best way to achieve that is to really get to work in service - because as you give you receive. Can anyone find a record of Jesus telling a sick person to get to work? Can anyone find Jesus telling the parents of a sick child to get to work? What did Jesus do with Peter's sick mother? Healed her. Then apparently she went to work because she wanted to. Oh, but TWI will SIT in tongues for you. A concept you cannot find in the bible, directed speaking in tongues is a joke. TWI will drag you along and hammer you to stay faithful as you operate the law of believing (in effect to heal yourself by your own prowess. <_< ) All of these groups do nothing but inflict further damage to people with their doctrines of serve until you are healed. People with serious illness need love, understanding, and support. Anyways, enough ranting. Thought I would air some thoughts this a.m.

Nah, they still practice M&A. They just do it quietly now.

And with this bit of information it's easy to figure the reason for the heavy handed response from Rosalie. Nothing impartial in her decision to mark and avoid folks and drop the iron fist down on those involved when it is really none of her business. Nope - nepotism rules the day with Donna and Rosalie.

A true conundrum for the SOWERS crowd.

Some never learn.

Believing through all that self imposed hardship isn't Christian? <_<

Looks like the new lead 2011 pics are posted. http://sowersonline.com/default.aspx

I studied those definitions for SO many hours and never did come to a clear understanding of how to do what the definition said. The defs. are exactly what you said - "run-on, and redundant sentence."

I used to hate getting those stupid cards with the BOD's picture plastered on the front. And what was worse most twi folks used to hang those cards all over the place, which really fouled up a room. It was like they were showing how committed they were to hang the stupid card in plain sight so the could S.I.T for them like a house of fire. <_<

I like what he has to say. At least he calls the law of believing what it is - counterfeit. The law of believing garbage caused me no end of hurt when I tried to operate it during a series of family emergencies that went on and off for a couple years. I am glad to see someone call it out and expose it for the lie that it is.

Nope. I doubt Mr. Hirschfeld will not be able to pull it off.

Usually relevant to a plea deal, offenders age (think juvenile offenders,) offense, etc.

It was sold to me as the wonder class. It would solve all my problems. I was gullible enough to believe that crap, back then anyway.

convicted felon = marked for life, unless records are expunged.

Yep, the lust for position starts early on in the "training."

Well, I would have to say that is Victoid's legacy.

Your welcome.

Founders Hall was originally dorm style corps housing. Not sure when it was built. Check the pic I posted. They did duo in the north woods. Founders Hall woods sits in front of founders hall. Founders hall serves as staff housing now. Really poor amenities, but that is another post. Duo is where you go off by yourself for 24 hours. Duo mean it's just you and God.

They are out of Tinnie to the best of my knowledge. The conduct lead around the Gunnison area. Well, except one recent year they did lead in John Bryant State Park in S.W. Ohio and did their duo time in the woods behind Founders Hall....prevailing, no?

They won't plead ignorance as much as they will blame the victim who let the adversary in...