OldSkool

I appreciate your insight! Thanks.

Thanks for the personal info, it means a lot to me. Your work (along with GSC) played a big part in opening my eyes to the evil associated with the way international. I appreciate the time and effort you have put in your works exposing them for what they really are. In the end I left twi for personal reasons stemming from being harassed for a year and a half by Rosalie through 2 of her lapdogs. But really, those events were just the straw that broke the camel's back. I had lurked on GSC for several years and read everything you had on your site. I knew they were a fraud but told myself that I could help change things from the inside out. Experiencing first hand how vicious and manipulating Rosalie is was the last straw. However, if I had not educated myself with all the information exposing them I would no doubt still be with them. It's real easy for someone who has been indoctrinated by them to find reasonings to excuse their ungodliness. Thanks again!

Thanks!!

As much as I shudder to dignify your trollish posts with a response....here goes The spotlight not only shines on the sins of VP but the corrupt organization he left behind that still holds control over people to this very day. Not to mention various splinter groups who use his white washed image to sell their materials while the splinter group leaders know first hand of VP's abuse, sexual and otherwise. Not one of them have come out and publicly admitted the truth about this man, that he was a plagiarist, a rapist, a control freak, a megalomaniac who set himself as the man of God to our day and time, and the list could go on. Once the spotlight shines on the man the works he left behind fall to pieces. Not to mention his "research" is riddled with error. But I am just summarizing some of what has been public knowledge on GSC and other sites for years. Keep on keeping on.....

They seem to think so.

In retrospect he was nucking futts. And to think I used to hang on his every word back in my days.

Well, since the Allen lawsuit this has been modified and not by choice. the way international is scared to death of another lawsuit, trouble with the IRS, etc. Rosalie (likely under pressure from their lawyers) clamped down on spending ministry money for personal use. I believe the term is private inurement, where an insider receives benefits greater than they provide in return. IRS is all over this sort of thing with non-profits and usually charges hefty excise taxes when they catch up with offenders. Anyway, back in vic and craig's days I understand they lived high on the hog, would use donations for shopping trips and such. Well, not anymore. Now the cush lifestyle the directors enjoy is relegated to services they can justify because of their position. That's not to say that Rosie does not have various departments work at her house. Housekeeping and Grounds are there all the time. But they have to show a paper trail that she pays for the services. So they charge her a nominal amount. I guess you could thank the Allen's for bringing so much attention to them for stopping what they used to do.

In Rosalie's pig headed arrogance, she likes to say that God's people (read way international followers) will always be a remnant. Personally, I really think Rosalie prefers a smaller "more committed" group that can be micro-managed. Either way they are not blind to the fact that the ship is sinking. Check the following examples: Advanced Class attendance was VERY low and staff numbers were so low that there were not enough hands on deck to support the class. Solution? Start a work/study program for the advanced class grads. After all this approach gets warm bodies in the otherwise empty auditorium and also puts warm bodies in the dish room to run the Hobart. Sunday teaching service attendance was dismal and staff numbers were so low they could barely fill the first three rows. (Remember that all staff are REQUIRED to be at the service unless they are "volunteering" to support it) Solution? Start a rotating schedule to bus in people from the field to try and fill a few more rows. Even with several buses coming in they still can barely manage to fill the center section of the house... Oh, and I used to hear the usual drivel from John Rupp and other big shot, boot lickers. "We keep doing God's will even if no one is interested" or "If the ship goes down we go down with it" or "We build it and they will come" or.... ya the list could go on. The way international is in a serious state of decline and has slipped into irrelevance. They are a preservation society committed to the image of victor paul wierwille.

It's a HUGE part of the equation. Yet, Rosie and the gang are oblivious to the obvious. First off, they don't want honest feedback from field way corps. When I was way corps I kept in contact with several people who were branch and limb level folks and all of them said that the internet was killing them. The common theme goes like this "We witnessed to so and so and they were really excited at least until they got home and googled the way international." This info either never makes it to Rosie or she doesn't think the internet is relevant enough to matter, even though it's been killing them slowly for years. (or both) And she absolutely hates computers and the internet, in fact when I was around she refused to keep a computer in her office. It's sort of like hating the light bulb and electricity choosing instead to burn candles. To each their own.

That is Rosie's attitude. I hope they keep up the arrogance long enough for there be no one in line to replace the replaceable.

Rosie made ordinations real hush hush. Really, they didn't make a big deal of ordinations before hand (maybe an announcement or two) and they typically took place in private. Private being backstage at an event and they would announce it again after the fact. Otherwise, it seems like another lever of control to lay on people. In other words, you are ordained so you are expected to behave in this manner.

So 1600 years and counting would mean the vast majority of offender in the catholic church are dead as well, yet you bring them up.

Yep. With Rosie using scandal to oust Craig and secure her throne, she has had VPW white washed and enshrined within the way international. Splinter groups may not openly reference him as much as in TWI but (in my experiences) their organizations are built on his works nonetheless.

He hasn't been able to hijack a thread in a while so it would seem he is working a little harder than usual.

Tough question. It's so evil that it disgusts me enough to really not want to consider a choice. But, in my opinion, I feel the one quoted is the worst because of using God and the trust associated with being a man of God to satisfy such horrid lusts.

You got that $h1t right!

Thanks! I too thought Statler and Waldorf appropriate for discussing the way international as well. Especially because TWI take themselves so serious. I men, you know the WOG (a.k.a Rozilla) is standing in the gap believing to keep the adversary in check so they can sell more classes and what not...

It's either a way international fellowship or not. TWI's fellowship coordinators are approved by the board of directors and work with active way corps very closely. Also, you would have way corps come teach your fellowship at some point and likely several times a year. Fellowships are very tightly micromanaged by way corps as well. The coordinator has to turn a teaching topic calendar for approval (think STS, way magazine, etc. here) and the topics are based on a teaching calendar sent from HQ that is all centered around the yearly theme, the HFC have to attend planning meetings, organize people to attend branch/limb/region functions, push hard to get new people into the scheduled foundational classes, attend HFC training class, solicit people to "volunteer" to teach/lead fellowship and provide refreshments, and the list could go on. I am getting the hives just recounting some of the crap I had to do when I was a household fellowship coordinator. There were some areas, such as the state of Mississippi, where there were no fellowships or branches. Miss. was considered a limb and was handled by the Louisiana limb coordinator. There were at the time a group of folks who lived in Jackson, Miss. who were were wayfers. They were not considered a fellowship and were frowned on by leadership because they had been told to move to an area where there was a fellowship. These folks had subscriptions to STS / way magazine, received announcements, could travel to attend classes, were invited to attend functions at HQ, and of course could send in money to HQ. But - they were not considered a way international fellowship even though they met weekly and worked through approved ministry materials. I am not sure what type of fellowship you are involved in but it does not sound official to me, though I could be wrong and often am.

This is so sad but so true. I went way disciple twice and was graduated way corps for a number of years. We were taught how to groom candidates for the class and how to work with key people (a.k.a advanced class grads and other faithful followers) in fellowships to team up on new folks. Not interested in the class series? You are guaranteed to be labeled any number of things from uncommitted to waste of time. That doesn't mean you will be asked to leave but expect to be treated with disinterest for a period of time until new attempts are made to get you into the class series. It will never stop. There will always be downward pressure from headquarters to recruit people into their classes and programs. There is a document called vision and direction, penned by Rosalie and company, specifically for the way corps that details how growth is measured in an area of outreach on the field. Bottom line abundant sharing should always increase, which measures the addition of new "faithful" disciples. Classes are set on a rotating schedule and there is always back room strategics between branch, limb. region, and way of the USA to pack the classes. Makes sense eh? Once a person is a foundational class grad they are expected to at least tithe and quickly graduate into abundant sharing, where a person gives more than 10% of their pay.

The way international has no power, except by the consent of those who follow them. Stop consenting - Voila! - their power vanishes.

Rule #2 If someone thinks you don't have all the answers see rule #1

Don't forget Mary:

That's because most of them consider formal theological education inferior to what the way international teaches in their class series. I was schooled in-residence to understand that Dr. Wierwille had been through so much hardship in his search for the truth that it was unnecessary for me to go through the same hardships because he had left his work behind in the way international. It was my job to steward that truth and teach it to others.

All roads in a way international fellowship lead to approved answers coming from approved ministry sources that contain proven ministry research. No matter that it is only "proven" because it's approved by Rosie and the yes men a.k.a the BOD of which chairman Rosie is head.

I know them up close and personal. Worked for the directors in fact. I have left a lot of information on here confirming what others who were before me have written for years. If the organization that sponsors the fellowships is corrupt then what good can come out of the fellowships. Fellowships lead to classes on the field which lead to classes at HQ which lead to programs etc. Fellowships only serve to groom candidates to serve (slave) for the way international's MLM schemes. But like I said. Go - see for yourself.